Indeed, very nicely done! It is a curious thing that this topic can be so volatile. . . and it is a wonderful thing that the discussion did remain as civil as it did.
Thanks for all you do keeping the list going, Jim! Cheers! lyle On 3 October 2012 01:26, Cyclofiend Jim <cyclofi...@earthlink.net> wrote: > .... that if we feel the urge to have a helmet discussion, it needs to be > a new one. > > A new discussion. > A new way of looking at the subject. > And I'm not in any way sure that can actually occur. > > I've been bumping around the interwebs since dial-up days, and have seen > only a few topics turn truly, utterly and mind-numbingly ugly on a > uniformly consistent basis. Helmets is one of those. > > I've never seen it end well. I've watched good folks who I knew and > respected, other folks who seemed to fly in for the fight, and a whole lot > of howling and sniping and cut-quoting. My personal view is that helmets > is a topic where everyone starts out with the best intentions, but it > devolves and becomes a harsher and more strident environment. > > Which is one of the things I'd hoped to avoid in this list. > > And just to say it clearly and loudly, we by and large have done so - > avoided it, I mean. Thanks everyone who kept their head cool and presented > facts, tried to keep a lid on a relentlessly explosive topic, or wisely > took it off-list. I'm aware of how the topic got brought up, and how it > specifically relates to Grant's writings and statements, and by extension > how it could be related to this list. > > Thanks for no name callin', and no "oh yeah, so's yer old man!" positions > being taken. > > I don't think any other group could have pulled it off so well. I'm just > asking that we let it sit now (ok, I've actually locked the topic, so, it's > a pretty strong "ask") and take a couple steps back and not pick it up > again. > > Because, it's an every-steepening slope with increasingly slicker sides. > > As for that "new way" I mentioned above. I have no idea what it is - > whether we have the ability to have the discussion without a lot of other > things operating. Some of those things are well and fine, and others may > be not even recognized impulses and reactiions. > > The only thing I can think to use as an analogy is when you are out in a > boat and suddenly the fog creeps in tight. You can see the water but as > soon as you lift your vision up, landmarks are gone, perspective is skewed > and it becomes a sudden, strange world. The best thing to do is first > recognize that you are in the situation. Then figure out the best way to > calmly and safely withdraw. > > There are probably some places to discuss the topic, to make the case or > prove the point. But, my suggestion is that we not do so in this group. > > Thanks and thanks to all for their contributions. > > - Jim / List Admin > > Jim Edgar / Cyclofiend.com / cyclofi...@gmail.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/uLy1LYkcvDQJ. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- lyle f bogart dpt 156 bradford rd wiscasset, me 04578 207.882.6494 206.794.6937 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
