Surly measures center to top of the top tube. I think Riv measures to the
top of the seat tube (so includes the extension)

Eric Daume
Dublin, OH

On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:51 AM, ted <ted.ke...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Jim, please elaborate on how the frame measurement methods differ. The
> Surly web site seems to indicate measured center to top, which I
> thought was the RBW convention as well.
>
> On Sep 22, 7:14 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thill....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Steve P: all LHT steelers are the same length. This means you can get
> the bars at the same height on a 56 cm as you can on a 64 cm. As you
> mentioned, the exposed steerer and spacer stack is the difference. With a
> quill stem, you can get the bars higher on a larger frame, which is one
> reason why Riv suggests larger frame sizes.
> >
> > But let's say you're between two LHT sizes. Most people want the bars
> closer, not farther. If you go slightly smaller on the frame size, you can
> put on a slightly longer stem if needed. If you have a big frame and a
> short stem, you can't necessarily go shorter. Again, bar height doesn't
> vary between frame sizes.
> >
> > Also, the way frames are measured varies between Riv and Surly. A 58
> Atlantis is closer to a 56 LHT than it is to a 58 LHT, for example.
>
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