Jim, please elaborate on how the frame measurement methods differ. The
Surly web site seems to indicate measured center to top, which I
thought was the RBW convention as well.

On Sep 22, 7:14 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thill....@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Steve P: all LHT steelers are the same length. This means you can get the 
> bars at the same height on a 56 cm as you can on a 64 cm. As you mentioned, 
> the exposed steerer and spacer stack is the difference. With a quill stem, 
> you can get the bars higher on a larger frame, which is one reason why Riv 
> suggests larger frame sizes.
>
> But let's say you're between two LHT sizes. Most people want the bars closer, 
> not farther. If you go slightly smaller on the frame size, you can put on a 
> slightly longer stem if needed. If you have a big frame and a short stem, you 
> can't necessarily go shorter. Again, bar height doesn't vary between frame 
> sizes.
>
> Also, the way frames are measured varies between Riv and Surly. A 58 Atlantis 
> is closer to a 56 LHT than it is to a 58 LHT, for example.

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