I have one, too -- like it a lot. Capacious and secure. ________________________________ From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Smitty Schmidt Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 2:51 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Recomendations?
I don't actually own the Arkel model Brian linked to but have seen and admired them on bikes around town. If I were looking for something like this, these would be at the top of my list. Do be aware that the hook/cam attachment requires some real estate on the rack. I found out the hard way that the hook/cam mechanism does NOT work with the large version of the Nitto Big Back Rack that Riv sells. It does work on the small version of the rack though, and it works fine on Tubus. On Thursday, September 13, 2012 2:51:16 PM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote: Arkel makes this. http://www.arkel-od.com/us/all-categories/laptop-bicycle-pannier/utility-basket.html I have 2 and like them a lot, very useful. On Thursday, September 13, 2012 3:05:49 PM UTC-4, William wrote: I've been tempted to play with the Donkey Boxx. http://www.donkeyboxx.com/ On Wednesday, September 12, 2012 4:57:00 PM UTC-7, bwphoto wrote: I've been using a number of different things to do errands and grocery runs. Big runs, that involve stuff I don't have a way to carry on my Sam, are taken care of with my Burley flatbed trailer. For loads that will work on Sam I use two Minnehaha bags ( http://www.calhouncycle.com/productcart/pc/Canvas-Grocery-Bag-Pannier-93p1703.htm) they snap closed, have both shoulder strap and hand grab straps neither of which interfere with riding. INstead of shlepping a paper grocery bag out I just use the bags themselves in the same way I would use a reuseable grocery bag. The other bag I use is the Banjo Bro Market bag, which has a cover that snaps closed. It also folds flat against the rack and like the Minnehhem aha ones can be left on the bike. One caveat I've learned is that at 66 I can no longer easily swing my leg over anything higher than my saddle or wider than my leg will extend...not to long ago I used to be able swing wither leg easily over whatever I had back or front. Ecovelo.net has some good reviews of both. On Wednesday, September 12, 2012 6:12:22 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: 1. Cheapest *decent* hanging scale with capacity of at least 40 lb. I know Park makes an electric one for $60, but I would be quite happy with a mechanical model if cheaper. (I want to find out how heavy my Fargo is.) (Seriously, I like to weigh my grocery loads -- just 'cause.) 2. Prest-cum-Schrader replacement pump chuck. In a fit of brass-and-Silca-lust folly I cut the very decent one-chuck-for-both head off my pump to replace with a nice (looking) brass screw on Schraeder chuck that I thought might work better on my daughter's Schrader valves -- which it does, but screwing on the chuck is a royal arse pain especially when I have to use a Presta adaptor for my own bikes. 3. Bar tape. I've found my own current favorite but am curious what others think. I like the Lizard Skins 2.5 (I think it is also made in 1.8 and a thicker one whose measurement I don't have). 4. Grocery pannier. Here I have certain criteria to meet: - Easy on and off the rack. - Can be used singly or as a pair. - Secure on the rack - Holds a full-to-top paper grocery sack. - Has either a cover that will accomodate overflow, or else has loops to which one can attach a cargo net. - It is easy to insert a bulging-ly full grocery sack. (This criterion puts my otherwise wonderful Ortlieb Packers out of the running because of the (for this use) fiddly and obstructive flap and drawstrings.) - Universal fit on many different kinds of rack. - Stiffener on back if not on sides (all-cloth panniers tend in my experience to end up in the spokes with certain simpler racks). Of course, cost and durability are part of the equation. No Wald baskets! No saddlebags! Saddlebags, even the huge Hoss, don't hold enough, so I prefer panniers which I can mix and match as required. I realize that the easiest and capacious grocery carrier in the universe is a huge Wald Newsboy, but I don't have a bike that I'd care to add one of these to. I've used several different sorts of camping panniers, many different commuting panniers, Avenir grocery panniers (currently in use), Gnashbar grocery pannier, Axiom Dutch (style) boxy panniers, rear Wald baskets (too damn' narrow!), Carradice panniers and just about all Brooks and many other saddlebags out there. I want something that is pretty much designed for full paper grocery sacks. For convenience, the Avenirs are good though they are not stiff enough to be ideal. They are also too shallow and have no cover nor provision for a cargo net. Good only for short trips and you have to make sure you don't pack small, loose things on top. The folding arrangement is primitive, but they do fold when not full, which is a plus. The Axioms, in stock form, sagged too much under any load and the lip of the opening deformed under weight. I had to rivet a collar of aluminum strip around the mouths to stiffen them. Thus modified they are much better but the mouths are still a bit too narrow for easy insertion and removal of very full bags. Frankly, when cost is a large factor, I've used nothing more convenient than the drape-over-rack pair of Target kitchen trashcans that I joined with pop rivets, dowels and nylon webbing. Wider at top, deep, so that it is easy to insert and securely carry even an overflowing bag. Certainly sturdy enough if you reinforce all weight-bearing points with big washers or thin plywood or sheet metal. Easy on and off, since they drape, and a single toe strap holds them securely fore-and-aft. And the total cost (trashcans on sale) was no more than $12. IMO, these are better than milk crates or used cat litter boxes. You can also plaster all sorts of reflective material on the backs and even bolt blinkies permanently to them. Their big defect of course is that they look ineffably dorky. But I can see a plastic (not kitchen white!) bin-type pannier optimally sized and shaped, suitably reinforced at stress points, and with adjustable, QR mounting system a la Carradice or Ortlieb, and cargo net top -- does anyone make anything like this? Patrick "Riv + luggage" Moore -- "Believe nothing until it has been officially denied." -- Claude Cockburn ------------------------- Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html ------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/MrYaFBUnmPYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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