I agree with you from year to year Leslie.  I don't know if the Atlantis 
for example is the same today as it was originally or if it's grown with 
technology or what.  I don't know about the tubing other than the implied 
when I buy things that the two bikes are the same "except" phrase for water 
bottle cages or something.  I'm curious now.. :)  Who knows the answer.

Kelly


On Saturday, September 1, 2012 7:15:01 PM UTC-5, Leslie wrote:
>
> Well, yes, and no, I would think...   Yes, Grant designs the frames, pics 
> the material, etc.   However, when a bike that was being made in Japan by 
> Toyo was using Miyata steel, but then when RBW transfers to building at 
> Waterford, and W'ford doesn't have Miyata but it does have a stack of OX 
> Plat perhaps, but there's a slight difference in gauging between the two 
> companies, well, in that case I would suspect that Grant would 
> select/inspect/approve of a change... it would be 'different', but, Grant 
> would ensure that it's still 'the same'.    I'm not saying going from 
> Ram-size tubing to Atlantis-size tubing; but, just a change of source, and 
> adjusting to ensure it meets his spec.  Maybe it doesn't change one iota, 
> but... well, if one Bomba had X fork crown, but this Bomba over has Y fork 
> crown, or the same on early Rams to late Rams (even all made by Toyo), well 
> if you can change a lug style, couldn't you re-spec a tube?  
>
> (Of course, I'm not privy to the inner workings of Riv moving locations of 
> builds... but it seems to me, it only makes sense or is likely that there 
> can be adjustments along the way... nothing drastic, just tweaks...)
>
>
>
>   
>
> On Saturday, September 1, 2012 1:41:58 PM UTC-4, Kelly wrote:
>>
>> I may be wrong but I was under the impression that Rivendell specified 
>> the frame builds.  So toyo or Waterford would not make a difference in tube 
>> thickness.  I am aware there are differences, I just didn't think tube 
>> thickness was one of them.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>

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