It's not at all clear to me why he thinks a custom Rivendell Road frame 
would be appreciably lighter than a production Riv. You either want a 
Rivendell design or you don't. 
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 4:56:52 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

> Maybe it's time to give up on him, tell him what he wants is a top of 
> the line Domane with carbon wheels and tubular tires, and he should stop 
> wasting his time looking at heavy old steel bikes. 
>
> On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 16:01 -0700, ted wrote: 
> > If he wants to try an alternative to the weight weeny race rigs, he 
> > should probably ease up on the frame weight goal. 
> > You also might point out that the frame and fork are probably about 
> > 1/4th (or less) of the total bike weight. 
> > To say an AHH is too heavy because of the frame overlooks the large 
> > roll components play in the all up weight of a bike. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Jul 10, 8:55 pm, Peter Morgano <uscpeter11...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > > I hear you Joe, I tried to sell him the 54 AHH but he kept saying it 
> > was 
> > > too heavy, he is a good friend but this whole heavy vs light 
> > argument does 
> > > get old so looking for him to take the plunge and get a nice 
> > practical 
> > > ride. He does have an older Peugeot PX10 we could convert but with 
> > its 
> > > 'racing" geometry it wont be nearly as comfortable as a nice AHH. 
> > Maybe a 
> > > decent place to start though. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:42 PM, Joe Bernard <joerem...@gmail.com> 
> > wrote: 
> > > > Your friend needs to be disabused of the notion that the AHH is 
> > not a road 
> > > > bike. My Romulus was a pure 700c road bike like that Ebay Riv, and 
> > my AHH 
> > > > rode like the Romulus. Hilsen can be used for medium-load touring 
> > and 
> > > > gravel treks, but it is not a touring bike. It's a 650b road bike. 
> > > 
> > > > Joe Bernard 
> > > > Vallejo, CA. 
> > > 
> > > > On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:23:25 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: 
> > > 
> > > >> Good points, issue is my friend is coming out of the cold of pure 
> > > >> roadieism and although he has shed his praise of 23mm tires he 
> > still thinks 
> > > >> of anything not made Columbus Zona or whatnot "heavy", while 
> > wanting 
> > > >> simultanously to jump on the "650b Bandwagon." 
>
>

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