Thanks for all the replies. I am by turns hurt, angered and amused (and edified) by turn this discussion took and the various responses to what was probably indeed rather naively particular questions, and I will respond with my own resolution to adopt Eric Platt's very worthy new year's resolution, to wag more and bark less.
I suppose my questions were rather too particular for me to reasonably expect clear replies from everyone, but on the other hand I myself do have very clear ideas about how the various bikes I've ridden differ in handling from my two later customs (they are Rivs, as most of you know) which are my benchmarks for bike handling comparisons. I can say in detail how, for example, the Herse, Sam Hill and Motobecane handled differently. I suppose that the reasonable option, right now at any rate, is to get the necessary clamp on bits to add to my Joe gofast fixie and make it into a gearie; all the more in that I won't need more than one chainring. Or maybe not ... As for the Roadeo, the only possibility right now, anyway, is to have listmember Ryan Watson buy it, dislike it, and sell it to me at a steep discount. Happy new year to all from Patrick Moore who promises to analyze less and ride more in 2012. On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:58 PM, dpco <dpco...@gmail.com> wrote: > Patrick, > I can't justify the cost of a new Roadeo to you, but I can explain my > opinions regarding my feelings about the Roadeo being a dramatic > improvement over the 531/sl frames of the past. By the way, I still own a > Basso Loto SLX frameset. First, the my Roadeo frameset is lighter than my > Basso frameset. > Second, my Roadeo is much more stable on high speed turns( especially on > ruff surface). Third, I have experienced shimmy on my Basso( the frame has > very little lateral stiffness). With the modern large diameter, thin walled > steel tubes, the Roadeo is very stiff laterally( no shimmy, whatsoever). > However, the frameset still has the vertical springy,steel feeling. And > this is with a fairly, stiff fork. Some people will not feel these > differences, but to me, I notice this immediately. This may not justify the > cost difference, but to me it was worth it. "To each its own" > Don C. > > On Tuesday, January 3, 2012 6:59:01 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> OK: That's what I want to hear. Please give reasons -- details: handling, >> fit, comfort etc. -- as to why one might want to pay $4K minimum for a >> Roadeo compared to half or less for a nice, high end but old road bike like >> some of those mentioned. >> >> I love my customs' handling; the handling of the Sam Hill was >> disappointing; the Herse fit like my customs but didn't handle quite as >> well (tho' that may be due to my preference for higher trail); the '73 >> Motobecane was lighter, uglier and handled almost as well as the customs >> and fit not quite as well. The Falcon would probably have been a >> wonderfully fitting and handling bike if I had known (thanks to Grant's >> intervention) how to set it up. The Calfees and Treks and RB1s have been >> praised for their handling and fit. >> >> So please give details about why the Roadeo is the unquestioned >> reasonable choice. >> >> I am not interested in fenders or tires larger than 28, nor am I >> interested (for the purposes of this discussion) in fineness of joinery or >> cosmetic details. Just fit (or potential for fit) and, above all, handling. >> >> Thanks. >> >> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Kelly Sleeper <tksl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Unless its just to save money I don't believe the older race bike are >>> equal or even close substitute for the Roadeo. 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