Thanks for the detailed reply, Ryan.

I don't fully understand how the "Deluxe" Honjo hardware works. Does it
replace the standard "R-clips" to attach the stays to the dropouts?
http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-389/Honjo-Hardware-Deluxe-Allen/Detail
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/fenders/honjo-r-clips-4mm-single-771.html
Or do you use it to attach the fenders to the stays?
Do you have a photo of the deluxe hardware in use on a bike?

I already have a set of VO 650Bx58mm fluted fenders, and yesterday I
ordered a set of Honjo 650Bx50mm hammered fenders from VO (taking advantage
of their sale and free
shipping<http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/fenders/honjo-50mm-hammered-650b-fenders.html>),
so I will have at least two options for my future bike, which I think I am
going to mostly use with 38mm Lierre or Pari-Moto tires.

The VO Zepellin fenders do look cool, though. Are you using two darumas per
stay, and covering the pre-drilled hole with aluminum tape?

Thanks,

David G, Madison WI


On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Ryan Watson <rswat...@me.com> wrote:

>
> On Dec 21, 2011, at 12:33, David Yu Greenblatt <
> david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Ryan.
> > So is the rule of thumb that for a given size/width Honjo aluminum
> fenders are lighter than Gilles Berthoud stainless steel fenders? That
> would certainly make sense.
>
> Seems logical to me, though I don't have similar sized ones to compare
> without taking a bike apart.
>
>
>
> > How about stays and fasteners--is there a difference in weight between
> Honjo and Berthoud?
>
> I doubt there's any real difference. Maybe a little less with the Berthoud
> with the plastic fasteners.
>
>
> > Are Berthoud stays and fasteners compatible with Honjo fenders?
>
> They are interchangeable, but if the fenders are pre drilled for one type,
> you might need new holes and/or have unused holes leftover if you switch.
> Aluminum foil tape is great for hole patching!
>
> > I am trying to decide what kind of fenders to mount on a custom 650B
> rando bike that is transitioning from the daydreaming to the planning stage.
>
> If you're running nothing bigger than a Hetre, the VO Zeppelins are by far
> my favorite. Cheaper than the others, too!
>
>
> > I like the super long versions of the Honjo fenders. And some of the
> hammered and fluted versions look gorgeous on the right bike.
> > But I think I prefer the Berthoud stays & mounting hardware.
>
> I think you can buy them separately. I have Berthoud hardware on my
> Kogswell PR Black alloy fenders.
>
> These Honjo fasteners are awesome:
>
> http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-389/Honjo-Hardware-Deluxe-Allen/Detail
>
> Here is a photo I took comparing some 650B fenders:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556426@N06/3515429029/
>
> Cheers,
> Ryan
>
>

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