On Fri, 2011-10-14 at 10:32 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote:
> On Oct 14, 2011, at 1:49 AM, Rex Kerr wrote:
> 
> > didn't solve my problem with the Al fenders moving from side to side and 
> > rubbing on the tire during climbs
> 
> I can't think of any mechanism that would cause the rear fender to move when 
> climbing, unless you're getting a huge amount of frame flex.  I have seen 
> situations where the front fender hits the tire due to fork flex, usually 
> right at the front end of the fender.
> 
> My hunch is that this is occurring when you climb standing.  
> 
> If it's the rear wheel, I think what was happening is that your fender is too 
> close to the tire (there should be 8-10 mm clearance from the tire at its 
> closest point) and that as the wheel flexes while you climb the tire rubs..  
> The point of contact is probably on the left (non-drive side) near the brake 
> bridge.  Rear wheels flex is a slight potato chip shape as we climb standing; 
> we rock the bike which introduces side loads and the pedaling torque on the 
> drive side spoke tightens the trailing spoke and slackens the leading spoke, 
> causing the rim to move.  This can cause the rim to hit the brake pad, 
> usually the one on the left, and a fender if the fender is too close..  This 
> is less likely to happen with a tight wheel (but a tight wheel is more likely 
> to crack the rim around the spoke holes, since rim design has been 
> drastically dumbed down in the past 15 years; a tight rear wheel may make a 
> bike less likely to shimmy, as well).
> 
> Back in my racing days on climbs you'd hear this "vrrrt vrrrt vrrrt" noise as 
> the peloton climbed from rims hitting brake pads due to wheel flex.  The 
> became more prevalent after the introduction of dual pivot brakes which need 
> to have the pads set close to the rim.  Pro cyclists will sometimes reach 
> back and release the rear brake when doing long climbs to prevent this.  
> Campy came out with a dial pivot front/single pivot rear brake setup a few 
> years back which I think was intended to prevent this problem.

I'll bet you're right.  It can happen in front, too, perhaps from fork
flex.  



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