I wonder if your experience with the longboards has to do with the fact that 
you are running 650s.  Either way, good to know.  

I think I am going to have riv build up the sam with the longboards, that 
way at least i have a set of fenders i know works (rather than having to 
snip metal/bend it at the chainstays, overall wrestle with them).  

The flaps are the ugliest thing about them, i considered taking them off and 
adding some leather or the sackville ones anyways.  The front cap thing with 
the branding is ugly too.  

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