I recently bought my second set of Shimano PD MX 30 flat pedals because i
was tired of swapping them from bike to bike.  One set is on my mountain
bike that I ride on all kinds of terrain and the new set is on my
Rambouillet.  I've used them with my Quickbeam too though not fixed.  I
haven't done any comparisons with clipped in performance but wouldn't be
surprised to find the same as Charlie did.  I have also ridden them with
sandals and usually use an approach shoe.  I never notice any inefficiency
or poor contact and that includes on rough single track and a long hard into
the wind dirt road push today.
Tim





On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:18 PM, MichaelH <mhech...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for sharing your experience Charlie.  I tested out the Grip
> Kings over the weekend and plan to give them another try, but found
> the lack of contact disconcerting.  At 66 I'm no longer too concerned
> about how fast I'm going, but there is a sense of blending man and
> machine that I get from toe clips that i don't get from totally
> clipless pedals.  Plus, perhaps, after 25 years of being clipped in my
> pedaling style seems pretty dependent on some form of clips.  I'm open
> to learning to cycle in sneakers and love riding in my keen commuters.
>
> michael
>
> On Jun 1, 6:56 pm, charlie <charles_v...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > You've probably heard/read this before but you might want to just try
> > riding un-attached. I gave up attached pedaling about seven years ago
> > and once my leg muscles were retrained I found it liberating and I
> > kept track of my times on familiar routes with no average time
> > differences.  In fact, some of my fastest were with my Teva sandals
> > and BMX style platform pedals. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for
> > fixed gear pedaling but for everything else I do. At first I had a few
> > foot slips because my legs had become "lazy" being attached but I soon
> > adapted and haven't been sorry since, not even once......plus I get to
> > wear any shoes even my work boots when I'm riding places where I
> > happen to want work boots on. I used to get those hot spots too which
> > is why I quit using clip ins and even my old school slotted cleats and
> > toe clips.....too many foot problems.
> >
> > On Jun 1, 12:48 pm, MichaelH <mhech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > About a decade ago I discovered Speedplay Frog Pedals and fell in love
> > > with them.  I have recommended them to many people and everybody who
> > > wanted an easy on and easy on the knees pedal loved them.  Gradually
> > > all my bikes got them.  But now I am developing a cronic hot spot on
> > > the ball of my foot and suspect that always using the same pedal might
> > > be a contributor, so have decided to go for some variety.  I have an
> > > old pair of useable Campy rat traps but like the idea of the wider MKS
> > > body on their touring pedal  But I see they also make a platform
> > > pedal, the GR 9.  I will probably ride these with sneakers or Keen
> > > Sandals, and large toe clips.  I have a large, size 13, foot.
> >
> > > Has anyone used both of these?  What was your experience?
> >
> > > Michael
>
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