On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 15:08 -0700, Aaron Thomas wrote:
> 
> The kickstand plate seems to limit the versatility of the frame,
> without really giving you any significant benefits. After all, you can
> always add a kickstand to a frame without a plate.

Yes, sure, if you're willing to risk the chance of crushing or crimping
the chain stays when you bolt the kickstand on.  I've seen more than one
bike damaged that way.  No chance of doing that with a chainstay
plate.  

Other than cyclocross, which I would rather be flayed and have my flesh
salted than consider, what other possible bicycling activity could be
hampered or harmed by the presence of a kickstand plate?  

I have two Kogswell P/Rs.  One is set up as a porteur, and it has a
double-legged kickstand, bolted to the kickstand plate.  The other is my
touring bike (and used to be my commuter).  It has no kickstand, but it
does have a kickstand plate.  I've used that second P/R for every type
of riding I do, with and without a touring load, including riding on
gravel roads, and have never had one moment's inconvenience from the
kickstand plate.




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