On my own I don't care how fast I go. My goal is to enjoy the
outdoors, exercise my body or to get somewhere. When I ride with
others I want to go fast enough to stay with the group, or perhaps
meet some time limit in an organized ride.
And I still enjoy pushing my body and going fast, sometimes (actually
most of the time)
It also means I can cover a greater distance and see more.

I don't see those as bad things. Each person has their own personal
goals and preferences.  If I'm happy with mine than it doesn't matter
what others think

~Mike

On Feb 25, 11:34 am, Peter Pesce <petepe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Very cool idea to have one bike that works for both sizes, and a
> stroke of minor genius to think of up-sizing the 650B bike, rather
> than down-sizing a 700. I was hoping I could convert my Sam to 650B,
> just to see what all the fuss is about, but it only took a few
> measurements to see that it wouldn't really work.
>
> I am curious to see your test results, but can't see how they'd be in
> any way meaningful - jut too many variables.
>
> I can see how speed matters on a brevet, and to some degree on commute
> (especially a 35-miler) but I, too, keep coming back to Grant's
> question (paraphrased): "If we all like riding so much, why are we
> always in such a hurry to get it over with as fast as possible?"
>
> On Feb 25, 1:04 pm, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > OK so I made a sort of self-indulgent mod to my A. Homer Hilsen.  I
> > set up the normally 650B bike with a 700C wheelset and short reach
> > brakes.  It's a wheelset I already had, and a short-reach brakeset I
> > already had.  So now I have a single bike that can easily be taken on
> > a ride with 650Bx(whatever) tires one day, and taken on the same ride
> > with 700x(23-28) tires the next, or whatever.
>
> > I bought the bike because of the feel of 650B, and I'm thrilled with
> > it.  Like most of you, I've been skeptical of the claims from Jan H
> > and others that fat tires are faster.  That said, on brevets in the
> > last couple of months, I've been surprised at how quickly I catch and
> > pass riders on coasting descents when I'm on 650x38 at 50psi and they
> > are on 700x23 and I presume 90-110psi.  That's anecdotal, and doesn't
> > necessarily mean anything, but it was surprising.
>
> > So, now I think it will be fun to do a pseudo-scientific spot
> > comparison between 650B and 700C.  My commute to work is a 35-mile
> > hilly ride through the east bay hills from El Cerrito to South
> > Hayward.  A good chunk of that is a non-stop stretch.  I can usually
> > get from my front door to a traffic signal in front of Castro Valley
> > High School without stopping or putting my foot down.  The next 10
> > times I do this commute, I'm going to alternate between the two
> > wheelsets, and record my time for the same non-stop stretch for these
> > ten rides.  The 650B tires will be hetres at 50/45psi, and the 700C
> > tires will be continental gatorskin 28s at 85/80psi.
>
> > Anyone care to guess which will seem faster?  Too close to call?
> > Impossible to test unless the rider is blind to the wheel
> > configuration?  Any advice on keeping the data clean?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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