> ...and the abus monobloc like > this:http://bs0.hl-hosting.hu/ter/abus_winner_chain_92w65_lanc_lakat-402.jpg
I have that chain but a different pad lock. Only downside is the weight. Patrick's solution - living the device on a rack you frequent - is the best if practical where you ride. Somewhat difficult in my area because there are so many cyclists and so few racks. I use the lock and chain on a bike in my storage room. If a miscreant ever managed to get through the main door and my room door, h/she would find an even more formidable security device to defeat. On Jan 29, 1:29 pm, omnigrid <omnig...@gmail.com> wrote: > ...and the abus monobloc like > this:http://bs0.hl-hosting.hu/ter/abus_winner_chain_92w65_lanc_lakat-402.jpg > > > > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:25 PM, omnigrid <omnig...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I like this abus padlock: > >http://www.bikeregistry.com/estore/product_info.php?products_id=55&os... > > > the kryptonite fah mini u-lock can be had on ebay for about 60 bucks w/ > > free shipping. > > > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:11 PM, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com>wrote: > > >> Mike -- I'm by no means a security expert and, in fact, even as a > >> layman I have relatively little experience because for the last 20+ > >> years I've been fortunate to have been able to park my bikes in my > >> offices (and now, I work from home). So I'm really playing this by the > >> seat of my pants (that may be a grossly mixed metaphor -- hear out of > >> my ass? Anyway ...) but for my purpose -- short term parking of > >> expensive, custom Riv outside well trafficked grocery store in decent > >> area, for example -- it ought to be very adequate and it is cheaper > >> than buying a Krypto mini. > > >> I suppose you could smash the padlock with a sledgehammer, but in use > >> I think the ensemble would hang off the downtube, held in place by the > >> relatively tight link it makes between downtube and whatever post I > >> use, so that a thief could not get a good blow in, even if he had the > >> privacy to do so. > > >> I expect a Sawzall could get through the chain, but again, with a lot > >> of noise, the need for a second person to hold the chain steady, and > >> at least more time than required to slice through a U with a bolt > >> cutter. But then a Sawzall could get thru any lock with the right > >> postioning, no? > > >> I expect it is as good as the Krypto Mini 5 which K says is "the > >> choice of bike messengers) and goes for about $50; is it as good as > >> the K NY "Fuggedaboutit" mini, which one site claimed withstood the > >> leverage of 25+ stone of two guys hanging off the shackle on a 4.5' > >> bar and which costs over $100. > > >> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Mike S <mikeshalj...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > Patrick, > > >> > I am really intrigued by this method you've come up with, especially > >> > after seeing that video of the "not-so magnificent 7". While I doubt > >> > there are too many bicycle thieves walking around with 4-foot > >> > boltcutters, it's clear your cheapo solution is better than those > >> > pricey locks. > > >> > The one concern I have is the "weak link" of that setup, which is > >> > obviously the cutter-resistant padlock. Even if boltcutters can't mess > >> > with that, is there another common tool that could easily break the > >> > padlock? This post has made me semi-somewhat-super paranoid about > >> > security for my $2500+ RIv, and I don't know what to do. > > >> > Also, has it been confirmed that boltcutters can slice through a > >> > kryptonite mini with no problem? That's what I'm using now. The "price > >> > is quality" defect in my thinking says that this $27 solution couldn't > >> > possible be good enough, and the $125 Abus Bordo is the best bet > >> > because it's fancy German engineering. > > >> > Obviously, every lock is vulnerable and it's really about deterrence, > >> > but alas... > > >> > On Jan 29, 12:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> I'm debating where to leave it -- perhaps at the nearest Sunflower > >> >> market which I ride to 1X a week or so. It's about as small as I can > >> >> make it without compromising use or (wrt lock) security, but at 3lb 3 > >> >> oz it's a lb heavier than a large Kryptonite. > > >> >> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> > >> wrote: > >> >> > Right crafty of you Patrick. Abus level security at a fraction of > >> the > >> >> > price. > > >> >> > I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out more rugged than many a > >> >> > rack or pole you attach it to. > > >> >> > The only thing more secure will be when someone figures out how to > >> >> > duplicate the alloy Predator used for its lances. As I recall in > >> >> > Predator 2 some scientist said it more hard than any known metal yet > >> >> > was remarkably light. > > >> >> > On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> I have a $50 or so Krypto U lock that I bought a few months ago, but > >> >> >> after seeing the video I went to the nearby True Value and got a 20" > >> >> >> length of their "towing chain" and a bolt-cutter resistant padlock, > >> >> >> all for $27 or so. With a length of innertube to cover the chain, > >> the > >> >> >> ensemble weighs 3 lb 3 oz, and is just long enough to wrap around > >> the > >> >> >> front wheel and down tube of one of my customs and have length to > >> >> >> spare for a narrow post. (These Rivs have small wheels, and since > >> >> >> there is a larger gap between rim and dt, the chain has to be a few > >> >> >> inches longer than for a comparable 622 bike.) > > >> >> >> The shop man spent a good 15 minutes cutting my length; he got most > >> of > >> >> >> the way through, more quickly, with a bench grinder, but had to > >> finish > >> >> >> the last few mm with a hacksaw. I should have tipped him. > > >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Michael Richters > > >> >> >> <michael.richt...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE < > >> bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder > >> -- he > >> >> >> >> claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone > >> tell me > >> >> >> >> how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up > >> to > >> >> >> >> thievery? > > >> >> >> > There are some videos here that might help you decide how secure > >> your chain is: > > >> >> >> >http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/ > > >> >> >> > They are selling something, but the videos are still fairly > >> impressive. > > >> >> >> > -- > >> >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> >> >> > To post to this group, send email to > >> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > >> >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<rbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib > >> e...@googlegroups.com> > >> . > >> >> >> > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > >> groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> Patrick Moore > >> >> >> Albuquerque, NM > >> >> >> For professional resumes, contact > >> >> >> Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com > > >> >> >> CHAIN LOCK.jpg > >> >> >> 56KViewDownload > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> >> > To post to this group, send email to > >> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<rbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib > >> e...@googlegroups.com> > >> . > >> >> > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > >> groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > >> >> -- > >> >> Patrick Moore > >> >> Albuquerque, NM > >> >> For professional resumes, contact > >> >> Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<rbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib > >> e...@googlegroups.com> > >> . > >> > For more options, visit this group at > >>http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > >> -- > >> Patrick Moore > >> Albuquerque, NM > >> For professional resumes, contact > >> Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com > > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<rbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib > >> e...@googlegroups.com> > >> . > >> For more options, visit this group at > >>http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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