Jim:

If descending offroad is a consideration, I say there's no better bar
than the bullmoose.  Your weight will always be squarely behind your
hands, and there's a sureness and confidence you get from that one-
piece stem/bar construction.  And they have a slight sweep to help you
keep those elbows in.  I love these bars.

BB

On Dec 6, 12:24 pm, CycloFiend <cyclofi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> on 12/3/10 12:35 PM, Leslie at leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Interesting timing for this discussion, as I've been mulling similar
> > questions.
>
> > I've got 48cm Noodles on my Ram, love 'em.
>
> > But I'm planning a Bombadil build.   Originally had planned to just
> > run w/ the Bullmoose.   But, after seeing photos of Woodchippers on a
> > Bomba, I started thinking about offroad drops.   But, I'm not a
> > hardcore offroader, mostly rails-to-trails...  was starting to think
> > that Rando bars might be the way to go.
>
> > So, I hope everyone else continues to pitch in on this discussion,
> > experiences, etc., so I can mull it all over....
>
> The WTB-type Dirt Drop bar style never really won me over. I'm talking about
> the designs which pretty radically flair the hooks, such as the
> Woodchippers.
>
> They've always felt too weirdly flared at the base (clearance on
> singletrack) and too narrow to be useful at the top.
>
> What I've found (for me, my riding style and the topography I encounter) is
> that if I'm in the drops on off-road descents, I like my elbows in and my
> butt back. Keeping my elbows in keeps my mass and momentum hinged directly
> behind my hands, so if the bicycle stops suddenly my weight pushes my hands
> directly into the bars.  Flared lower sections keep my elbows out, which
> tends to make them pivot out if I suddenly stop, which has my mass twisting
> my hands away from me, putting all the force into my thumbs - a recipe for
> decoupling my hands from the bars.  Bent elbows also moves my center o'
> gravity forward.
>
> On the road, of course, drops is drops.  For rails-to-trails, I don't know
> that I'd change anything. If you physiology has your wrists or forearms
> banging uncomfortably on the uppers when you are in the lowers, then the
> slight flare of a rando-style bar would make some sense - just enough to
> shift you out without sacrificing multiple positions.
>
> All of which have led me to stick with the Noodles/Soba design. But I do run
> them at or slightly below saddle height.  In a more upright position, I
> don't mind a "flat" bar, as long as it has decent sweep - which again lets
> me get my elbows slightly more tucked in.
>
> - Jim
>
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