Thanks Philip.

I'm considering this 5-speed hub for the QB:

http://www.sturmey-archer.com/products/hubs/cid/4/id/34/specs/1

If I'm reading it right, if I set this up with a 22 tooth cog in back, the 
lowest gear will act like that divided by .625, in other words, the lowest gear 
in back will act like a 35 tooth cog.

Combine that with my functioning front derailleur and triple crank up front 
(24-36-48) and consider the gear range...

...is all of this too good to be true?

-Jim W.


-----Original Message-----
>From: Philip Williamson <philip.william...@gmail.com>
>Sent: Sep 21, 2010 11:54 PM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>
>Subject: [RBW] Re: Internal 3-speed QB question
>
>The Sturmey S3X is supposed to accept threaded freewheels as well as
>splined cogs. They come in 120mm spacing, and some sexy colors (not
>green).
>The "Quickbeam Supertype" setup would be an S3X and a Schlumpf, of
>course...
>
> Philip Williamson
>www.biketinker.com
>
>On Sep 20, 10:39 pm, CycloFiend <cyclofi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> on 9/20/10 9:45 PM, James Warren at jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > I'm looking for information on Shimano 3-speed internal hubs with the
>> > following idea in mind. In the following pictures:
>>
>> >http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr36_pg27.jpg
>>
>> > the rear derailleur shown is not functioning as a rear derailleur. There 
>> > is no
>> > cable attached, and the derailleur is only there to take up a lot of slack 
>> > so
>> > that I can have vastly different chainrings up front shifted with a front
>> > derailleur. Right now, the bike has three rings in front, 24-36-48, so the
>> > bike has three gears total. (In the photo, there are two gears with a
>> > pants-guard. This set-up has worked fine whether as a 1-speed or 2.)
>> > What I would like to do is get a bit of gear-shifting in the back through 
>> > use
>> > of an internal 3-speed hub. I would like to make the bike an internal 
>> > shifter
>> > in the rear but still retain its 3-chainring derailleur system in the 
>> > front,
>> > for a total of 9 gears (3x3). Is there any reason that I couldn't use an
>> > internal 3-speed hub, like Shimano's, but while using this hub, still have 
>> > it
>> > work with the dummy derailleur mounted as shown in the photos so that it 
>> > takes
>> > up slack and allows me to still do wide range shifting in front?
>>
>> > I realize this is a bit complicated (due to rear spacing and lack of
>> > derailleur hanger in rear) and I'm trying to research it myself, but any
>> > pointers would be appreciated if it's not too much trouble.
>>
>> You've already done most of the heavy lifting on that system.
>>
>> Since you are sticking with a coastable setup, there shouldn't really be
>> that much of an issue.  You really just have the same setup, with differing
>> ratios which don't change any chain tension or angle.
>>
>> There is the spacing issue - 120 mm, which may nix the Shimano 3 speed (and
>> I think those were coaster brake models, but I'm not sure).  But, S-A stuff
>> can be found that way, to be sure.  There's probably no reason you couldn't
>> run a 7 or 8 speed hub, if it was spaced correctly.
>>
>> It would be problematic to run the derailleur with a fixed hub like the S-A
>> S3X. Derailleurs/tensioning devices and fixed setups are generally thought
>> to be Bad Ideas.  AASHTA 
>> -http://www.sheldonbrown.com/singlespeed.html#tension
>>
>> You're really just using the arm of the rear derailleur for tension.  And
>> for the range you are running, I don't think you could drop back to a Paul
>> Melvin. But, if you widen your gearing aft, maybe you could run narrower up
>> front...
>>
>> (For those looking to mount a derailleur on a tab-less fork end, you just
>> need to find one of these -  http://tinyurl.com/derhanger)
>>
>> It seems like you are really most of the way there, right now.
>>
>> - Jim
>>
>> --
>> Jim Edgar
>> cyclofi...@earthlink.net
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>>
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