Thanks Bobby,
That's good to know. I would love to try the 8-speed Alfine, but I don't think 
it will fit in the QB's 120 mm space in back, and I'm trying to avoid spreading 
the frame. The 3-speed on the other hand could have a 120 spacing and with my 3 
chainrings shifting, I'd still get a good gear range if it all works.

I too wanted to try the Alfine tensioner, but it appears that it attaches to a 
frame's rear derailleur hanger which the QB lacks. So I'm thinking of just 
continuing to use the dummy rear derailleur I have on there now. Do you know if 
they have an Alfine tensioner that doesn't need a derailleur hanger like rear 
derailleurs that clamp inside the dropouts?

I didn't consider that too small a ring up front could create too much torque 
for the internals of the hub. What two chainring sizes did you use? In wonder 
if my plan to use a 24tooth granny in front would cause a problem. The whole 
point of this project is to try to get a low as low as 24F-28R.

Basically, I love how the QB rides, bit I don't like single-speeds. I'm trying 
to get the QB ride with  the abilities of a multi-gear shifter. I've succeeded 
in having it be a wide-ranging 3x1, but now I'm getting greedy, because my 
current lowest low is 24F-22R. It's weird. I have other great bikes, a few 
Rivendells even, that I'm really happy with, but there is just something about 
that Quickbeam.

Thanks again,
Jim

-----Original Message-----
>From: Montclair BobbyB <montclairbob...@gmail.com>
>Sent: Sep 20, 2010 10:03 PM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>
>Subject: [RBW] Re: Internal 3-speed QB question
>
>Jim:
>
>I actually did something similar this past winter, except with an 8-
>speed Shimano Alfine internal-geared hub and a front derailleur (to
>run a 2x8 setup).  I used the Alfine chain tensioner (which costs
>about $25 and the spring is super strong, ensuring good chain tension
>with the front derailleur shifts.  I actually had a triple crank, but
>stuck to using 2 of the 3 chainrings in the front (use of the small
>crank would have produced a gear so low it could climb a tree and
>would over-torque the internals of the hub (according to Shimano).
>Having use of the outer chainring provided a nice range of cruising
>gears.  I'm sure this 3-speed setup will work just fine, and if you've
>got a derailleur to spare, great.  Otherwise consider the Alfine
>tensioner... it's the best one I've used, and I've tried a few.  (And
>BTW the Alfine hub is superior to any other internal geared hub I've
>owned, from Sturmey-Archer to SRAM to Shimano Nexus... The Alfine is
>the best.
>
>Peace,
>BB
>
>On Sep 21, 12:45 am, James Warren <jimcwar...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Dear RBW Owners Bunch,
>> I'm looking for information on Shimano 3-speed internal hubs with the 
>> following idea in mind. In the following pictures:
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr36_pg27.jpg
>>
>> the rear derailleur shown is not functioning as a rear derailleur. There is 
>> no cable attached, and the derailleur is only there to take up a lot of 
>> slack so that I can have vastly different chainrings up front shifted with a 
>> front derailleur. Right now, the bike has three rings in front, 24-36-48, so 
>> the bike has three gears total. (In the photo, there are two gears with a 
>> pants-guard. This set-up has worked fine whether as a 1-speed or 2.)
>> What I would like to do is get a bit of gear-shifting in the back through 
>> use of an internal 3-speed hub. I would like to make the bike an internal 
>> shifter in the rear but still retain its 3-chainring derailleur system in 
>> the front, for a total of 9 gears (3x3). Is there any reason that I couldn't 
>> use an internal 3-speed hub, like Shimano's, but while using this hub, still 
>> have it work with the dummy derailleur mounted as shown in the photos so 
>> that it takes up slack and allows me to still do wide range shifting in 
>> front?
>>
>> I realize this is a bit complicated (due to rear spacing and lack of 
>> derailleur hanger in rear) and I'm trying to research it myself, but any 
>> pointers would be appreciated if it's not too much trouble.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim W.
>
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