In that terribly written post I envisioned 16 bikes.  4 hunqa, 4
hillborne, 4 bomba, 4 atlantis.  One of each had a bullmoose, one of
each had an albatross, and noodle (or any drop bar) and moustache.  Of
those 16 bikes, I said that I thought the hillborne/bullmoose made the
least sense, but even that would be pretty awesome.

I run bullmoose on my Bombadil and drops on everything else.  I tried
moustache, and they do everything that a drop bar does for me, just
not as well.  Not as comfortable, not as fast, not as many postitions,
not as good looking.

Now I'm not one of these racing tuck for all applications guys, but
your bolt upright ideal is definitely not for me.  I'd need a tractor
seat to handle all that weight on my tookas.  My spine compresses just
looking at it.  I'd be resting my forehead on the stem to get into any
kind of climbing position.  My needs may change, as they have over the
last 10-20 years, but I'm not there yet.

On Sep 10, 12:59 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean <thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> Oh, and I'm curious... was it that you felt the Hillborne/Bullmoose 
> intrinsically didn't make much sense? If so, what's the rationale? It is the 
> combo I'm likely to ride the least. But my rationale I think to be rare: even 
> now, with all these options, I normally choose to ride bolt upright (note the 
> height of my Albatross bars) in a way that even most high handlebar advocates 
> wouldn't expect.
>
> Or was it that, in light of having any of the other options, the 
> Hillborne/Bullmoose would never be the combination of either you'd choose 
> (i.e. with Hillborne you'd always want some other bar, with Bullmoose you'd 
> always want some other frame)?
>
> Or was it something else?
>
> Oh, and the more I ride the Bullmoose bars, the more beautiful they look from 
> the saddle. And those portuguese cork grips with clear shellac look great!
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
>
> ----- William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Confirming that the complete-bike photos are in fact there, and are
> > plenty good quality to tell the story.  You built column 1 of my
> > exceedingly poorly written 4x4 array of bikes post!  In that post I
> > speculated that a Hillborne with Bullmooses would not make much sense,
> > but in your pics, I have to say that one is my favorite.  It's strange
> > to me though that you run your thumbies almost flat on top of the
> > noodles and rolled WAAY forward on your bullmooses.  Is that
> > intentional?
>
> > On Sep 10, 11:33 am, Thomas Lynn Skean
> > wrote:
> > > It only now occurs to me.... perhaps you didn't notice that the second
> > > set of cockpit links (next to my comments on how each rides) actually
> > > do take you to pictures of the bike with the appropriate cockpit. Not
> > > high quality, mind you. But pictures nonetheless.
>
> > > Just in case you weren't actually *purely* (and *appropriately*)
> > > chiding me for my lack of photographic prowess, I thought I'd point it
> > > out. Another thing to note in an update to the page.
>
> > > Yours,
> > > Thomas Lynn Skean
>
> > > On Sep 10, 9:21 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
> > > > Great post, but where oh where are the high quality photos of your
> > > > complete bike with each cockpit? :)
>
> > > > You appear to be using the same stem with 3 of the bars? Do you set
> > > > them at the same height? That would be interesting, as I think I would
> > > > want a shorter extension for a moustache versus a noodle, and or
> > > > greater height (Switched from comfy noodles on my non-Sam to
> > > > moustaches, and missed the top of the bar position/was too stretched
> > > > out, so I switched to some VO porteurs, and now am too upright [all
> > > > with the same stem]).
>
> > > > Gernot
>
> > > > On Sep 10, 12:38 am, "Robert F. Harrison"
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Thanks for the write-up on all the different bars and how you use 
> > > > > them.
> > > > > Being a stout-but-active middle-aged man myself I found it all quite
> > > > > interesting. I only have m-bars on my Quickbeam and am quite pleased 
> > > > > with
> > > > > them but next year I'm thinking about a bike with derailleurs and your
> > > > > footwork will aid greatly in my choice of bars.
>
> > > > > Aloha!
>
> > > > > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Thomas Lynn Skean <
>
> > > > > thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi, all!
>
> > > > > > (wordy... skip to the link for the main content)
>
> > > > > > For about a year before I got my Hillborne, I was a happy Albatross
> > > > > > bar cyclist. I remain a happy Albatross bar cyclist. But in my 
> > > > > > youth I
> > > > > > rode drop bars and liked them. Later I had also ridden 
> > > > > > mountain-bike-y
> > > > > > bars and liked them. Having ridden almost daily for a couple of 
> > > > > > years
> > > > > > now, I've gone from being a total couch-potato huffing-puffing fat 
> > > > > > guy
> > > > > > to being an energetic less-fat able-bodied guy. Along the way I have
> > > > > > discovered that almost all of my ideas about "discomfort" when 
> > > > > > cycling
> > > > > > were really reflecting my utter lack of general fitness. Growing 
> > > > > > more
> > > > > > fit made me realize I could sit this way and move that way and bend
> > > > > > the other way, without causing pain or feeling at risk. That is, I
> > > > > > started feeling even *more* comfortable on my bike, more loose and
> > > > > > more "able". And started thinking "you know, it wouldn't be so bad 
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > stretch out here, lean there, tuck in more". I began to wonder what
> > > > > > riding in positions besides being bolt upright might be like. And 
> > > > > > now
> > > > > > that I had a Hillborne frameset, surely one of the most versatile 
> > > > > > bike
> > > > > > platforms around, I thought perhaps I could set it up with different
> > > > > > handlebars to accommodate somewhat different riding styles and
> > > > > > positions.
>
> > > > > > I had, as a stout-but-active middle-aged man, become bar-curious.
>
> > > > > > (sorry...)
>
> > > > > > In case you're still reading, below is a link to my web page
> > > > > > describing how I satisfied my curiosity. There you'll find
> > > > > > descriptions, parts lists, some pictures, and general comments. 
> > > > > > And, I
> > > > > > promise, no puns.
>
> > > > > >http://tiny.cc/h1p8s
>
> > > > > > I really can't overstate how much I like my Hillborne. For me, its
> > > > > > lengths and angles have felt exactly right from the very first time 
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > sat on one. Putting parts on it was truly fun. And now it looks
> > > > > > beautiful and rides great. In all its forms.
>
> > > > > > Yours,
> > > > > > Thomas Lynn Skean
>
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