Heh heh.... if those high quality photos exist, they were taken by
someone who has a hillborne and four cockpits (like me!) and is a high
quality photographer (unlike me!).

Seriously, I intend to get some better shots with a real camera (my
phone's camera is more marketing tool and photography tool). I'll
update this thread when I do. A better camera will help.

I also intend to bump this thread over the next few weeks as I update
the page with configuration changes or additional comments written
after I've spent more time with each cockpit.

Yup, I'm using a Dirt Drop 100 on all non-Bullmoose cockpits (max'd
out on the Moustache and Noodle, an inch or so below max'd out for the
Albatross). I did that for two reasons:

One, I really couldn't imagine that I'd *prefer* a stem with *less*
height and/or *more* extension. You should know that my happy starting
point was the Albatross bars on a Dirt Drop 100 (max'd out at first,
then to my surprise I found I preferred it a little lower and
*perhaps* further out as well), anything other than a most-height/
least-extension combination seemed *unthinkable* for bars with no or
negative rise and substantially less back-sweep. I didn't want to use
my stem extension as a starting point.  Unless I'm wrong on my seat-o-
the-pants cogitating, I imagine a Nitto 225mm-quill Technomic Standard
with a really short (say, 80mm or less) extension *might* give more
height and/or less extension, but that not much difference of either.
And I thought that'd simply look too funny.

Two, in the spirit of well-controlled research (ahem) I kind of wanted
to start out with the bars (1) making a difference in the cockpit
(variety and experimentation are goals) and (2) *being* the difference
in the cockpit (to sort of compare the bars per se and let them drive
the variety).

Down the road, I could imagine replacing the Dirt Drop 100 on the
Albatross bars with a max'd out Technomic Deluxe, perhaps a 9cm or
10cm extension. I could also imagine, down the road, using the stem
extender with the Bullmoose bars, especially if I want to use them for
a longer-distance (30+ mile) ride. But for now I still like the
variety provided by the as-is Bullmoose bars. And I think the
Moustache and the Noodles will stay on the max'd Dirt Drop 100.
Particularly with the Noodles; I'm not anxious to re-stitch the
leather on one side! :)

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean


On Sep 10, 9:21 am, Earl Grey <earlg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Great post, but where oh where are the high quality photos of your
> complete bike with each cockpit? :)
>
> You appear to be using the same stem with 3 of the bars? Do you set
> them at the same height? That would be interesting, as I think I would
> want a shorter extension for a moustache versus a noodle, and or
> greater height (Switched from comfy noodles on my non-Sam to
> moustaches, and missed the top of the bar position/was too stretched
> out, so I switched to some VO porteurs, and now am too upright [all
> with the same stem]).
>
> Gernot
>
> On Sep 10, 12:38 am, "Robert F. Harrison" <rfharri...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the write-up on all the different bars and how you use them.
> > Being a stout-but-active middle-aged man myself I found it all quite
> > interesting. I only have m-bars on my Quickbeam and am quite pleased with
> > them but next year I'm thinking about a bike with derailleurs and your
> > footwork will aid greatly in my choice of bars.
>
> > Aloha!
>
> > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Thomas Lynn Skean <
>
> > thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > Hi, all!
>
> > > (wordy... skip to the link for the main content)
>
> > > For about a year before I got my Hillborne, I was a happy Albatross
> > > bar cyclist. I remain a happy Albatross bar cyclist. But in my youth I
> > > rode drop bars and liked them. Later I had also ridden mountain-bike-y
> > > bars and liked them. Having ridden almost daily for a couple of years
> > > now, I've gone from being a total couch-potato huffing-puffing fat guy
> > > to being an energetic less-fat able-bodied guy. Along the way I have
> > > discovered that almost all of my ideas about "discomfort" when cycling
> > > were really reflecting my utter lack of general fitness. Growing more
> > > fit made me realize I could sit this way and move that way and bend
> > > the other way, without causing pain or feeling at risk. That is, I
> > > started feeling even *more* comfortable on my bike, more loose and
> > > more "able". And started thinking "you know, it wouldn't be so bad to
> > > stretch out here, lean there, tuck in more". I began to wonder what
> > > riding in positions besides being bolt upright might be like. And now
> > > that I had a Hillborne frameset, surely one of the most versatile bike
> > > platforms around, I thought perhaps I could set it up with different
> > > handlebars to accommodate somewhat different riding styles and
> > > positions.
>
> > > I had, as a stout-but-active middle-aged man, become bar-curious.
>
> > > (sorry...)
>
> > > In case you're still reading, below is a link to my web page
> > > describing how I satisfied my curiosity. There you'll find
> > > descriptions, parts lists, some pictures, and general comments. And, I
> > > promise, no puns.
>
> > >http://tiny.cc/h1p8s
>
> > > I really can't overstate how much I like my Hillborne. For me, its
> > > lengths and angles have felt exactly right from the very first time I
> > > sat on one. Putting parts on it was truly fun. And now it looks
> > > beautiful and rides great. In all its forms.
>
> > > Yours,
> > > Thomas Lynn Skean
>
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