I went ahead and worked ahead.  Grant had us up to seat tube angle.  I
did chainstay next, and then seat tube length, which allowed me to
connect the dots for my seatstays.  Then I marked my saddle height and
drew a level line from the saddle to the front end.  I knew I wanted
to be able to get the bars and saddle level with a Nitto Pearl stem.
I ended up with a slightly sloping top tube (more slope than a Hilsen,
less than a Bomba/Hillborne) and still had my standover at a
comfortable level.  Then I dropped the headtube angle to the ground
and pulled back the trail, which positioned my front hub and
established fork rake.  I went ahead with the compass and spun the
wheels in, and from that marked where I want the brake bridges.  I
kind of guessed where the downtube meets the headtube.  But the thing
is drawn.  It's basically a slightly modified 58cm 650B Hilsen/
Saluki.

On Jul 28, 10:00 am, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think Laney College here in Oakland did aframebuilding class, as
> well as The Crucible, which is a vocational arts school with every
> kind of heat based trade (glass, welding, blacksmithing, etc).  Maybe
> I should look into that.
>
> On Jul 27, 9:08 pm, Bill Gibson <bill.bgib...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I took a welding class (Welding for Artists, or something like that)
> > at the local community college a few years ago and got to try
> > everything and developed instant respect for the simplest welds in my
> > life. I got to try both gas and electric and gas brazing and plasma
> > cutting, and it's on my list. But teaching school science starting
> > last week, 6 weeks too soon for me -maybe it's time to retire and ride
> > and make bikes and whittle spoons and kuksas...need to gather school
> > supplies...
>
> > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Steve <sring...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I did this:  signed up for a framebuilding class, measured my youngest
> > > son who needed a good road bike, and built a virtual clone of my
> > > Rambouillet.  The only change I made
> > > was to increase the fender clearance slightly under the headtube and
> > > the seat stay bridge since my Ram frankly runs at the minimum usable
> > > clearance with 28mm tires.  The lugged bike turned
> > > out to be spectacular:  it handles, if you can believe this, slightly
> > > better than the Ram (although I suspect that my handling test was
> > > biased due to less weight in the front bag).  No matter;  he loves the
> > > bike.  I spent about twelve Sundays building this and loved every
> > > minute of it.  If you can spare the time and cash, do it.
>
> > > Steve
> > > Ames, IA
>
> > > On Jul 27, 1:25 pm, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Grant is apparently going to teach us how todrawa bikeframein his
> > >> little step by step way.  I'm going to follow along.  I want a custom
> > >>framethat somewhat resembles a 58cm 650B A. Homer Hilsen.  The
> > >> critical differences will be that I want it 130mm spaced and want it
> > >> to be a lighter frameset.  I don't know if I'll ever get this frameset
> > >> made, or whether it will be a Rivendell or an Ebisu or a Davidson or
> > >> something else.  But I'm looking forward to drawing it.  I've done a
> > >> fair amount of drafting table work in Engineering school, but never
> > >> went ahead and drew a bike.  Looking forward to it.
>
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