With Ram sizing toptube is everything in 2025 when most Riv riders are 
using pullback bars. Rams were designed as traditional road bikes with drop 
or moustache bars, I would definitely choose my bar before choosing a size 
of Rambouillet on the used market 

On Friday, April 11, 2025 at 10:51:50 AM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:

> Hi George,
>
> I don't think the larger frame, with all other fit issues resolved, is for 
> unknown reasons.  Well, at least one reason is that the taller frame will 
> allow you to get the bars higher. (50 cm frame requires an extra 4 cm 
> seatpost and 4 cm of stem compared to a 54 cm frame, allowing the bars to 
> be 4 cm higher on the 54 cm frame).
>
> The top tube is generally longer for the taller frame, which definitely 
> can cause fit challenges, which can sometimes be mitigated with different 
> stem lengths.
>
> Toshi
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 3:04 PM george schick <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>
>> So, therefore...ain't you just the perfect fit for just exactly what I 
>> was talking about - *individual differences*? Never mind just this Riv 
>> SOH because they want to force you into an even higher frame size for 
>> reasons unknown, eh?.
>>
>>
>>

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