Hi Alfonso, Indeed this setup is 11 speed (Shimano everything) with the stock 38/24 Silver crankset, stock chainrings - I too saw that it was not 'rated' for 11 speed, but I had the parts already so I placed the chain over the chainrings and it seemed to fit fine - so I installed it all and have ridden about 3000 km on this setup, works perfectly! Note most of those miles were on the Bombadil which is currently running this setup, I borrowed for the Susie.
I know that Riv might swap out the chainring vendor based on availability so there is a chance other Silver cranks won't perform the same as mine, but I am pretty confident you'll have no problem. Perhaps the prudent option is to get the 11s chain and place it on the chainrings - if they full engage and don't appear to cling to the chainring, you should be fine. I guess the other part of it is the risk of the chain falling between the rings? Never once had this happen though. Shifts great! On Wednesday, 2 April 2025 at 09:29:14 UTC-7 der_amerikanische_freund wrote: > Hi Jason, I'm rescuing this conversation as I was doing some searching on > 2x11. > > Just to confirm, you are indeed running a 2x11 with Silver cranks upfront? > Are they the stock Silver cranks? Reason I'm asking is Riv says they're 10 > speed max. Coming from Riv I would take that as seriously only for 10. > Could you please share your experiences on how you made it work? I presume > you are using both an 11 speed chain and rear derailer. > > I'm interested in the topic as I'm looking to build my Atlantis as 2x with > very low gears. Thinking about pairing a 34/24 with something like a 11-45, > or 11-48, or 11-50 if feasible. The only derailer I've found that would > handle that kind of capacity is the Cues 11 speed (RD-U6020-11, > https://bike.shimano.com/en-NA/products/components/pdp.P-RD-U6020-11.html) > but that would require an 11 speed chain which, according to what I said > before about Riv's cranks being 10 speed max, would be a no no. > > Thank you, > > Alfonso > > El miércoles, 27 de noviembre de 2024 a las 5:39:31 UTC+1, Jason Fuller > escribió: > >> Armand - yes! The PDW safety tabs will work with both VO and Honjo >> fender stays. I've used on both. Good eye on the unusual choice of eyelet >> for the rear stays - it's related to the fact I am not using safety tabs >> back there. These fenders are borrowed, so I didn't want to cut the stays >> if I could help it. If the fenders (and the bike) are going to stay with me >> for a longer period I'll trim them, add safety tabs (less critical in the >> rear, but still a good idea), and mount to the fender eyelet. >> >> I'm actually not planning to keep this frameset long term, but I am >> really enjoying it at the moment. Who knows. >> >> [image: PXL_20241127_022359054.NIGHT.jpg] >> >> On Tuesday, 26 November 2024 at 17:28:43 UTC-8 Armand Kizirian wrote: >> >>> Oh, and why not utilize the fender braze-ons for the rear? I see you >>> have it doubled up with the rack. >>> >>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 5:27:39 PM UTC-8 Armand Kizirian wrote: >>> >>>> Jason, can you link safety clips that are compatible with Honjo fender? >>>> I am very much interested in not flying over my handlebars. :) >>>> >>>> On Saturday, November 23, 2024 at 6:46:25 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote: >>>> >>>>> Pete - I learned this the hard way in 2021, when a stick in the spokes >>>>> grabbed my fender stay and pulled the fender into the tire, throwing me >>>>> over the bars at speed on a chunky gravel trail at the deep end of this >>>>> very valley. I was extremely lucky to ride out with only scrapes and >>>>> bruises, and I won't make that mistake again! >>>>> >>>>> Also, credit to how robust the Bombadil is that it didn't bend the >>>>> frame nor fork. I've ridden it over 6000km since then and it's going >>>>> strong. >>>>> >>>>> [image: PXL_20210816_003621833.jpg] >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, 23 November 2024 at 09:54:53 UTC-8 Pete P wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jason, >>>>>> That is a beauty. I like the swooping to tube as it meets the seat >>>>>> tube. I prefer this design over the gallop with the straight top tube. >>>>>> You >>>>>> improved it too with the silver fenders. Glad to see the safety clips on >>>>>> the front fender stays too. Sticks are a real problem when off road. >>>>>> Love >>>>>> that gold color too. >>>>>> Pete >>>>>> On Saturday, November 23, 2024 at 9:00:39 AM UTC-6 Danny wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jason, wow, great write up and photos. That's one beautiful place to >>>>>>> explore! Thanks for sharing the route, hope I can ride my Susie up >>>>>>> there >>>>>>> one day. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Danny >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 10:19 PM Menos Joven <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I thoroughly enjoyed your write up complete with photos to get a >>>>>>>> sense of your ride through this magical forest. Thank you so much for >>>>>>>> sharing. Just for yucks, the peanut gallery part of me is thinking >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> your photos have given me permission to finally use a kickstand if I >>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>> choose. :) >>>>>>>> On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 9:50:07 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just point my camera phone around, it's the beauty of the forest >>>>>>>>> that makes the photos good! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am happy to take anyone visiting Vancouver on this loop! I try >>>>>>>>> to do it once a month. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Friday, 22 November 2024 at 03:35:58 UTC-8 [email protected] >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I gotta say…now all I can think about is moving somewhere near >>>>>>>>>> the Seymour Valley bike trail and getting in line to beg Jason to >>>>>>>>>> build me >>>>>>>>>> up a gorgeous Susie to ride on it. In November. (Drooling). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Liz in Cincinnati (which is a nice town, but we don’t have ANY >>>>>>>>>> views like Jason’s views). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 6:21:14 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jason, I am not sure what you do for a living, but I gotta say, >>>>>>>>>>> you should quit your day-job and just take pictures. And write. And >>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>> Susie is the perfect autumn color. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 7:27:43 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I got out on my favourite local loop this past weekend on the >>>>>>>>>>>> Susie, a 50km gravel & light singletrack loop in the Seymour >>>>>>>>>>>> valley. I >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote it up on my website mostly to convey the photos in full >>>>>>>>>>>> resolution >>>>>>>>>>>> that were popular in the Fall Riding pics thread. The photos >>>>>>>>>>>> still do >>>>>>>>>>>> little justice for how amazing it is to be in this forest during >>>>>>>>>>>> late >>>>>>>>>>>> November drizzle, easily my favourite time of year to be out there >>>>>>>>>>>> despite >>>>>>>>>>>> the cold and wet. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This was the first bigger ride on the bike, as I've mostly been >>>>>>>>>>>> commuting and barely topped 20km per ride prior to this aboard it. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.jasonmytail.com/2024-11-17-susie-lscr-loop/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 29 October 2024 at 20:29:23 UTC-7 Jason Fuller >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ed - the tires are Rene Herse Umtanum 650x55, wrapped in >>>>>>>>>>>>> Simworks Flat 65 fenders. It's a good combination, the Susie has >>>>>>>>>>>>> plenty of >>>>>>>>>>>>> extra clearance but this maxes out what I can fit under V-brakes. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Without >>>>>>>>>>>>> fenders I'd be comfortable with a 2.5 to 2.6 with V-brakes. The >>>>>>>>>>>>> Motolites >>>>>>>>>>>>> are nice to set up, you can just install the pads to be parallel >>>>>>>>>>>>> the rim, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and then use the 'collar' to adjust up-down as well as fine tune >>>>>>>>>>>>> the toe-in >>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than try to set all these at the same time using the cup >>>>>>>>>>>>> and cone >>>>>>>>>>>>> washers. I appreciated that the Susie's studs were spaced >>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriately for >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Cliffhanger rims as well >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Brendon - I'll probably bring the bars down a bit, but yes >>>>>>>>>>>>> since I'm on the 50 despite being able to fit a 53 easily I've >>>>>>>>>>>>> got a bit >>>>>>>>>>>>> less stack which is good! I can bring them down to basically >>>>>>>>>>>>> level with >>>>>>>>>>>>> the saddle if I want to. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard (and also Brendon) - I can definitely see moving away >>>>>>>>>>>>> from the Ortho bar for singletrack. I have a Stooge for trail >>>>>>>>>>>>> riding as >>>>>>>>>>>>> well as the Crust Wombat, so my off-road needs are fully met >>>>>>>>>>>>> between those >>>>>>>>>>>>> two and I love them both. It begs the question, isn't the Susie >>>>>>>>>>>>> more bike >>>>>>>>>>>>> than I need if my purpose for it is commuting, cruising around >>>>>>>>>>>>> town, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> just a bit of gravel and trail riding? So far I'm really >>>>>>>>>>>>> enjoying it for >>>>>>>>>>>>> these purposes, but it'll be interesting to go back and forth >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bombadil and compare. Bombadil is obviously stiffer and more >>>>>>>>>>>>> compact, both >>>>>>>>>>>>> super capable. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday 28 October 2024 at 18:23:27 UTC-7 [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A little bit of apples/oranges perhaps as my bike is a Gus. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I had a similar experience with Bosco on it. I made some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> calculations & >>>>>>>>>>>>>> took a chance on an Albacore bar. Coupled with a 35mm stem it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>> transformed the Gus into a singletrack joy if not a beast.:) The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bosco was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty great however just cruising. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 28, 2024, at 9:01 PM, brendonoid < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This Crust Vid >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFM2o5Hl584&t> was a huge >>>>>>>>>>>>>> inspiration for me to pull the trigger on getting a Susie in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> second >>>>>>>>>>>>>> batch, the Ortho-Susie combo just seemed so right. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the end I didn't enjoy the Ortho on my XL Susie because >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the stack is just so high I couldn't get the reach where I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted without >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it all feeling just too upright. I ride my Susie on some pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>> serious >>>>>>>>>>>>>> single track adventures so the flex with the quill stem was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more sketch, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than pleasant, also. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks like it works pretty spot on in your size though Jason! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bloody nice. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7cd165cf-f026-48be-9120-5fc55b9fc701n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7cd165cf-f026-48be-9120-5fc55b9fc701n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> To view this discussion visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0d3c44b4-d441-4ace-8b7e-200b10b8fa45n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0d3c44b4-d441-4ace-8b7e-200b10b8fa45n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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