Wonder if that applies to the "road" models (Roadini, Roadeo)? Armand, you are so right about phone conversations with Grant; he is a pleasure to talk to...it's like talking to a friend. He's a genuinely nice person. A gentleman in the best sense of the word.
On Thursday, October 31, 2024 at 7:30:14 PM UTC-5 Richard Rose wrote: > Armand, that had to be a very interesting conversation. My question though > would be “why”? Why should they all ride the same? Ride the same but for > different application's? I guess I can see that? > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 31, 2024, at 7:46 PM, Armand Kizirian <kiziria...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On one of my recent long chats with Grant on the phone (always surprises > me with how generous he is with his time!), he revealed to me how they are > aiming for most of their bikes to ride the same. If one were to analyze all > the updates in geometry across the line-up, I would venture to say you can > see a clear theme of them converging toward similar figures. > > > He himself said it, the Appaloosa is basically the same as the Atlantis > now. I would let the better size from the offerings be the determining > factor. > > > > On Wednesday, October 30, 2024 at 6:11:57 PM UTC-7 timothym...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> IO - I remember reading a few months back that the next batch of Atlantis >> frames were coming in January or February of 2025. >> >> Correct me if I’m wrong, I’m saving for one too so I’d love to be >> prepared. >> >> Tim in Philly >> On Wednesday, October 30, 2024 at 11:52:52 AM UTC-4 isaako...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> I'm not deep in the Riv universe but am curious when the Atlantis might >>> drop in '25 so that I can pinch pennies appropriately :) >>> >>> peace, >>> IO in Ashland, OR >>> >>> On Monday, October 21, 2024 at 10:38:45 PM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote: >>> >>>> It looks like it will take a 27.2 mm seatpost. >>>> That’s interesting. >>>> >>>> Ray >>>> >>>> On Monday, October 21, 2024 at 6:49:15 PM UTC-7 DavidP wrote: >>>> >>>>> These geometry charts have always been conservative on tire >>>>> clearances. The previous Atlantis listed the same ~55mm number. My >>>>> Platypus >>>>> has 50mm tires with fenders vs the ~50mm max listed. My take (and you've >>>>> touched on it with your last comment) is that the listed sizes are more >>>>> like a recommended max for their vision of the bike's use and helps to >>>>> differentiate the models. >>>>> >>>>> -Dave >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, October 21, 2024 at 5:07:32 PM UTC-4 Brian Forsee wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Here's to hoping the 55mm tire clearance on that chart will be >>>>>> updated. The most recent atlantis took 2.4s, right? Seems like they >>>>>> wouldn't go back down from there. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd love to see an Atlantis w/ clearance for 29x2.6. But maybe that's >>>>>> just a gus/susie >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, October 21, 2024 at 3:47:43 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, October 20, 2024 at 5:24:47 PM UTC-6 Josh C wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sounds like you're describing a fully lugged Clem, no? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think this question was to me? Yes, that's what I want - but I >>>>>>> guess what I'm arguing is that the new Atlantis basically IS a >>>>>>> fully-lugged >>>>>>> version of the first Clem. Just with a couple of refinements - those >>>>>>> being >>>>>>> a slacker head angle and slightly-shorter-but-still-long chainstays. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (I hope I'm not offending RBWQH asserting this. Once again, I think >>>>>>> it's really great. For people with normal proportions, it's perfect. >>>>>>> In >>>>>>> my case, all I'd want to do is personalize a few dimensions for fit >>>>>>> purposes only. It would be easier if I didn't prefer the rigidity and >>>>>>> aesthetics of the diamond frame, I guess, and the current Clem L might >>>>>>> even >>>>>>> be great.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It isn't that surprising that things evolved this way, in >>>>>>> retrospect. Remembering well the first discussion and germination of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Clem idea - not unlike the Bombadil and Hunquapillar before it - the >>>>>>> goal >>>>>>> was to create a kind of an homage or throwback to older, analog ATBs >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> the 1980s, before they all got twitchy race geometries and were all >>>>>>> built >>>>>>> around suspension forks. The most significant differnece being some >>>>>>> subtle >>>>>>> changes to make them more comfortable - like lower bbs and taller >>>>>>> headtubes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Clem added a few additional criteria though: Less expensive to >>>>>>> build; Less likely to get targeted by thieves; Using-up some lugs from >>>>>>> an >>>>>>> abandoned project. But I feel like it ALSO served as a platform for >>>>>>> trying >>>>>>> out a bunch of new ideas that ended up being wildly successful: >>>>>>> Super-long >>>>>>> chainstays, in lenghts that were *proportional* to the rest of the >>>>>>> frame; Even longer top tubes to work with the newish-at-the-time, >>>>>>> ultra-swept-back Bosco bar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's wonderful but not surprising how successful and popular the >>>>>>> Clem has gone on to be. But as it blazed it's own path, it also sort >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> morphed into something a bit different. Like the best, >>>>>>> most-comfortable >>>>>>> and most-useful town bike ever, for lack of another category. To me, >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> left the original ATB-concept model slot - the thing I most want - kind >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> missing in the lineup. Gus and Susie are (were) great but, as someone >>>>>>> who >>>>>>> has a Susie and an early Clem, and who came of age along with the first >>>>>>> mountain bikes, they're almost too MUCH "mountain bike" for a >>>>>>> daily-rider, >>>>>>> do-everything (i.e.: All-Rounder) bike. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Those early ATBs were so popular for a reason. They WERE >>>>>>> All-rounders, in the truest sense, and got the masses on bikes for the >>>>>>> first time. At least where I live. Elsewhere, there was the 70s >>>>>>> 10-speed >>>>>>> boom, I guess. Even people who didn't live in the mountains like I did >>>>>>> bought them. You could ride them all day, ride them anywhere, take them >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> tours, ride fast, or ride slow. I moved my dad into senior living >>>>>>> recently, and his old Stumpjumper is is still in his garage, and I >>>>>>> can't >>>>>>> bring myself to move it or get rid of it. I like remembering that >>>>>>> these >>>>>>> bikes even got my parents out riding! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Other funny thing is that after that, and once NORBA ruined things, >>>>>>> ATB bikes actually became more "road" bike than "mountain" bike for a >>>>>>> long, >>>>>>> long while. Plenty light, plenty "quick." They just weren't >>>>>>> comfortable. >>>>>>> So why couldn't the Atlantis be more like an improvement of the >>>>>>> original >>>>>>> ATB idea than a strict "road touring" bike? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If/when I finally order a custom, my plan has long been to tell >>>>>>> Grant to "start from my Clem and make these changes...." The new >>>>>>> Atlantis >>>>>>> just seems so close to what I would do, it almost seems pointless or >>>>>>> extravegent to consider now. The Appaloosa is obviously similar and, >>>>>>> who >>>>>>> knows, I may even like it better if it were possible to try both. Or >>>>>>> if I >>>>>>> had to own one bike only. And there's a size that would fit better. >>>>>>> But, >>>>>>> since I can't try them, I have to rely on my preference for >>>>>>> longer/lower >>>>>>> bikes, developed from riding and getting accustomed to them. To my >>>>>>> original point though: The longer Atlantis now just seems as close, if >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> closer, to the original Clem than it does the Appaloosa. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ed80c465-179e-4c1d-bc5b-13941c1b4e34n%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ed80c465-179e-4c1d-bc5b-13941c1b4e34n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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