Sounds like you're describing a fully lugged Clem, no? On Sunday, October 20, 2024 at 6:53:07 AM UTC-4 larson....@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks Danny. I thought I had remembered seeing this. I have mixed > feelings about it, but excited to see the new frames. > Randy in WI > > On Saturday, October 19, 2024 at 8:11:12 PM UTC-5 Danny wrote: > >> I got excited when I saw the slightly longer top tube as well. >> >> Randy, in a recent newsletter about the Roadunos, Will said they're >> moving away from double top tubes going forward. I don't know for certain >> if that included the next Atlantis run, but I suspect they will all be 1TT. >> >> *"Do the larger sizes have a double top tube?* >> >> No, everything is single now. We're moving away from doubles." >> >> On Sat, Oct 19, 2024 at 7:01 PM larson....@gmail.com < >> larson....@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I am interested as well and have had some of the same thoughts about the >>> evolving geometry. Will the 59/62cm frames still have the rainbow 2TT? I >>> love my 2TT Appaloosa. >>> Randy in WI >>> >>> On Saturday, October 19, 2024 at 12:49:58 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote: >>> >>>> No - it has definitely been trending slacker, and the top tube >>>> trending longer. Other models, too. I don't think that, for Rivendell, >>>> this has as much to do with following the general trend in mountain bikes >>>> though, as much as it is intended to balance things out and keep the rider >>>> centered with the ever-longer chainstays. Mainstream mountain bikes still >>>> seem to keep the chainstays as short as possible, so the slack front for >>>> them is mostly about keeping the wheel out in front as you're bombing down >>>> steep hills. >>>> >>>> My All Rounder - predecessor to the Atlantis - has a 72.5 degree >>>> headtube. The "classic" Atlantis, which was still very much just a >>>> production version of that road/touring geometry, had for many years a 72 >>>> degree headtube. In 2016 or so, it briefly went to 71.0 (and 650b >>>> wheels). But then in 2018 it steepened back to 71.5 (and regained 700c >>>> wheels.) I guess I'm not exactly sure when it went to 70. It may have >>>> been a couple of years/versions ago. But it just got longer and gained >>>> tire clearance in this update. >>>> >>>> Maybe I just wasn't paying attention and my current enthusiasm is >>>> delayed. At any rate, I'm glad it doesn't stay static. Incremental >>>> improvements never justify upgrading for me, but cumulatively it >>>> eventually >>>> becomes a whole new bike and worth considering. ESPECIALLY if it >>>> approximates my "ideal" bike. I do enjoy the slacker headtubes of modern >>>> mountain bikes though, too. It just works better with the way I ride >>>> these >>>> days >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, October 18, 2024 at 8:35:22 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote: >>>> >>>>> I’m curious to know if the 2025 Atlantis has changed much from the >>>>> previous one. For some reason, I thought it always had a slack-ish head >>>>> tube angle? >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday 19 October 2024 at 07:38:09 UTC+10:30 iamkeith wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I spend a lot of time looking at geometry charts. Not because I know >>>>>> what I'm talking about - but because, with my odd proportions, it is >>>>>> extremely difficult for me to find bikes that fit well. >>>>>> >>>>>> I often buy bikes just because they DO fit me - even if I don't >>>>>> really need them. Meanwhile, I keep looking for "the one." (Honestly, >>>>>> I >>>>>> really just need to break down and get a custom, but I haven't trusted >>>>>> myself to get it right... so buying other bikes is sort of "practice" >>>>>> until >>>>>> I do.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Owning six Rivendells of my own, I also feel like I should sort of be >>>>>> able to tell if a new model is going to get me closer to what I >>>>>> ultimately >>>>>> want. (OTOH, my Susie was a perfect example of NOT understanding or >>>>>> guessing or extraplolating well enough. I love it, but it is a totally >>>>>> different bike than I expected it would be from just looking at the >>>>>> charts.) >>>>>> >>>>>> So, with that disclaimer: I was daydreaming and studying the new >>>>>> Atlantis geometry charts as I am prone to do. The literature / web >>>>>> description still describes it as an All Rounder but, by my analysis, it >>>>>> sure seems more like a Hillibike! Don't get me wrong - this is >>>>>> FANTASTIC >>>>>> as far as I'm concerned. >>>>>> >>>>>> See my chart markup, below. The most equivalent past model actually >>>>>> seems to be the original Clem H. I own and love that bike too, but I've >>>>>> said since day-one that I wish it had: (1) slightly shorter chainstays; >>>>>> (2) slightly longer top tube; (3) slightly more stand-over clearance; >>>>>> (4) >>>>>> much slacker headtube angle; and (5) fully-lugged construction. the >>>>>> Atlantis achieves three of those things! >>>>>> >>>>>> Alsas and as usual, I fall squarely between sizes and the "suggested >>>>>> PBH ranges would put me on a bike that is otherwise much too small. So >>>>>> I >>>>>> don't know if it's in my future, but I'm sure going to be considering >>>>>> it. >>>>>> For those who regret missing out on the Clem H when it was available, >>>>>> this is probably a good opportunity - so I thought I'd share this: >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7ed1e2a9-36dc-4637-a0ce-789e4b7fa23cn%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7ed1e2a9-36dc-4637-a0ce-789e4b7fa23cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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