I have a couple rivs (clems) and a clydesdale 
<https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/internet-bob/c/gmR-7-LJO_I/m/C14tAUaPBgAJ> 
built around an MB-1 frame.

I agree with Jason that handling worsens with weight up front. If you want 
to conserve the ride ofnyour Hunq/AR/Atlantis, then I'd go with a cheap 90s 
MTB and make a project out of it. If you don't care, use a riv! 
Aesthetically, why not? Sal from shovel research has the best clydesdale 
conversion ever IMO with the rosco bubbe 
<https://www.instagram.com/p/B9x4or5lL-r/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==>.
 
And Laing's clem is excellent. 

About handling, I had a flat bar on mine at first and found the handling to 
be twitchy. I like it much better now with Klunker bars (and Albatross bars 
worked great too).

As for utility and fun, it's the most useful bike I own and the one I ride 
most (anytime I'm not sure where or what I'll be doing, it's nice to have a 
big old basket up front to throw stuff into). But I'm glad to have other 
bikes for dedicated offroad rides or fast road rides. It's also by far my 
ugliest bike.

Either way, it's a super fun format for a build.

Cheers,  

John

On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 5:10:22 AM UTC+3 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Hah, I didn't scroll down to see Laing's Clem L before writing my previous 
> post. 
>
> On Sunday 25 August 2024 at 19:09:24 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I've considered doing this as well. I had the opportunity to own a Surly 
>> with a Clydesdale fork but ended up not keeping it long term because I 
>> found that when loaded up beyond about 20 lbs, it didn't handle very well, 
>> and for my purposes it made more sense to load up a pair of roomy panniers 
>> most of the time. It's certainly a nice way to carry bulky, lower density 
>> loads and there is a joy in just tossing stuff in the big basket / bin on 
>> the front, but overall my feedback would be: it's not going to entirely 
>> ruin a Rivendell or anything, nor is a Rivendell *that* sacred (I might 
>> catch hell for saying such things), but I think the combination of the 
>> aesthetic and functional drawbacks will get you in the end. The one bike 
>> I'd totally try one on, despite all I've said so far, is the Clem L. That 
>> would be a neat rig. For most people I think a Pass & Stow makes more sense 
>> though. 
>>
>> On Sunday 25 August 2024 at 10:28:28 UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>>
>>> I've become more of a utilitarian over the years in outlook and 
>>> lifestyle and I love the idea of a cargo bike. But I'm not sure the Rivbike 
>>> ethos meshes well with that of a cargo bike. Either way, I got the 
>>> opportunity to get one for cheap and so I'm thinking.... I'm contemplating 
>>> whether I should even try it on a riv or just go straight for the vintage 
>>> MTB. What do you all think? Will there be too much of a clash between the 
>>> brutalist utilitarian fork and the classy lugs of a Rivbike?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> IY
>>> NYC/CT
>>>
>>>

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