Leah - if you continue watching the video, you will see that the reviewer does exactly as I (and others) have said we do by adding extra Voile straps around each wheel where they sit in the tray. Even in the Quickr video the guy says he does that for extra security. In the case of the Kuat rack, the extra Voile strap really does cut down on any movement caused by normal driving around. Here's what I do: tighten the bike down normally with the built-in swing arm (front) and cam strap (rear). Then, I add a Voile strap tightly around the front wheel and front wheel cradle, and another Voile strap around the rear wheel and tray (right next to the cam strap). Then, I further tighten the swing arm and cam strap for good measure. With any rack, you want to make sure you tighten everything down as tight as possible to help prevent the bike from moving or bouncing around.
To address your other concern, yes, I use my Kuat front swing arm just fine with front fenders. I just make sure I position it about 1/2" away from the front edge of the fender so that it tightens down on the tire, and not the fender. I've hauled fendered bikes to and from Kentucky / Florida about 5 times a year for the past 4 years with no issues whatsoever. You really can't go wrong with either rack - they are both excellent, but for me, I felt confident that the Kuat would work best with fendered and racked bikes, and I still think I made the better call. If I only had mtn bikes, or heavy eBikes, or bikes with no fenders, then perhaps I would've chosen the 1UP. Brian Lex KY On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 3:12 PM Leah Peterson <jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote: > Brian, I’m one video in and already see a major problem with the Kuat. I > have a front fender - how is that arm not going to interfere with it? And > look how close it sits to the brake in the video. Yikes. And then the > reviewer goes on to show his major complaint, but by then I think the rack > is already ruled out for me since I have that front fender. But wait…you > have fendered bikes. How are you using the Kuat without damaging the front > fenders? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZAa27a1JNI > > On Jul 30, 2024, at 3:01 PM, Brian Forsee <bmfor...@gmail.com> wrote: > > My understanding was Kuat's haven't been made in USA for awhile. Years > back i was excited about the prospect of buying a rack made in my state of > MO but then they outsourced their manufacturing. Maybe things have changed > since i looked into it last. > > Brian > > On Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 1:50:53 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Watched the Quickr rack video and I have to say, all of his gripes (aside >> from the ramp feature for super heavy eBikes) are non-existant with the >> Kuat NV Base 2.0. The reviewer mentioned not liking how the bike sways back >> and forth, and he uses a Voile strap for extra peace of mind - well, you >> don't get that sway with the Kuat, and I only use additional Voile straps >> as a failsafe in the unlikely event that either the swing arm or cam strap >> failed (anything can happen I guess). >> >> Again, if the important thing is traveling with racked and fendered bikes >> that have less than 50 inch wheelbases (this is every Riv model except >> Large and XL Gus), I would highly recommend giving the Kuat NV Base 2.0 a >> serious consideration. Here's my personal list of PROS in no particular >> order: >> - Made in USA >> - Excellent customer service >> - No wait times as long as you can find a dealer near you (many bikes >> shops are Kuat dealers) >> - Expandable bike capacity (up to 4 bikes max.) >> - All operations can be controlled with a single hand, or with the help >> of the foot pedal >> - Secure, fender and rack-friendly front swing arm >> - Fender-friendly rear wheel cam strap (you get an extra one with the >> rack, too) >> - built-in, keyed cable locks for each bike tray >> - Optional work stand accessory (comes standard on the NV 2.0) >> - 3rd party accessory brake lighting available (I purchased one from Kody >> Technologies) >> - lower profile than the chunkier 1UP and Quickr models >> - much lower MSRP ($800) >> >> The only CON I can think of is there are some plastic pieces on the Kuat, >> whereas I believe the other racks are all metal... if that factor is >> important to you. >> >> Brian >> Lex KY >> >> On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 2:07 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! < >> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> That video was VERY helpful, Eddietheflay. >>> >>> Yes, there doesn’t appear to be a perfect rack for our type of bikes and >>> it comes down to choosing the one that gets most of the wishlist and the >>> compromises that irritate you the least. For me, I have 3 Rivendells and I >>> want to be able to take all three if need be. So, I’ve gotta have a 3 bike >>> rack that caters to LWB, fendered bikes. There are a few workarounds for >>> both 1Up and Quickr that should allow fendered bikes to be safely carried. >>> I just wish I wasn’t having to discover them. I did find a helpful >>> discussion about fendered bikes in the company FAQs: >>> https://quikrstuff.com/faqs/ >>> >>> But how to get around a $1700 price tag and 7 week wait… >>> L >>> >>> On Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 12:26:37 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote: >>> >>>> We have the Kuat 2.0 NV (45 Clem and 50 Platy). It's a great one! We >>>> use it on our Subaru Crosstrek. (Brian, you're not alone!) >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 9:13 AM eddietheflay <eddiet...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> With a 1up you can ratchet the front arm onto your front tire tight >>>>> enough so that it pretty much holds the bike steady with just that one >>>>> arm. >>>>> And then use the foam fender protected arm on the back wheel as a less >>>>> pressurized steadying force. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 8:12:35 AM UTC-7 J J wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I looked into 1Up and Quikr racks very seriously last fall. I like >>>>>> how they looked and construction quality seems great. >>>>>> >>>>>> Echoing Lex's points, their design and functionality are *inherently* >>>>>> unfriendly for bikes with fenders, which most of my bikes have. I've >>>>>> spent >>>>>> way too much time fretting over, adjusting and fine tuning fender >>>>>> installations to risk messing up the delicate lines with a foam hack that >>>>>> necessarily crushes against the fenders to secure the bike. That >>>>>> categorically ruled out these good looking racks. (I also did not >>>>>> appreciate the long lead time — currently seven weeks — for the Quikr >>>>>> racks >>>>>> or the fact that they require full payment when ordering instead of when >>>>>> they ship. They do this partly on the basis that they are still a >>>>>> "startup" >>>>>> after years of being in business.) >>>>>> >>>>>> I finally settled on a Thule EasyFold XT >>>>>> <https://www.thule.com/en-us/bike-rack/hitch-bike-racks/thule-easyfold-xt-2-_-903202> >>>>>> for >>>>>> a few reasons. It uses a ratcheted wheel strap system with frame holders >>>>>> that are super secure. It is friendly to bikes with fenders. And it is >>>>>> overbuilt for my needs — a good thing — with a weight capacity of 130 >>>>>> pounds. The most it would carry with two of my bikes (say, two >>>>>> Hunqapillars) is 55 to 80 pounds, depending on how they are outfitted, >>>>>> but >>>>>> it would usually be less than that because all of our other bikes are >>>>>> lighter. I *like* that the rack has capacity overhead. I also >>>>>> supplement the wheel straps with additional straps to be extra careful. >>>>>> >>>>>> Securing bikes to it is a quick, easy process after a couple of >>>>>> practice tries. It is a heavy rack, though it does have built-in wheels >>>>>> for >>>>>> easy-ish transport. I don't know how well super long wheelbase Rivs would >>>>>> fit on it. And it is limited to two bikes. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's worth checking out the EasyFold if the criteria I've outlined >>>>>> here align with yours. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim >>>>>> On Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 10:11:59 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The move from a minivan to an SUV was bittersweet for my wife and >>>>>>> me. My wife's Highlander is more stylish and "hip" but it also meant my >>>>>>> sons were growing up...now grown. I do plan to get a rack soon too so am >>>>>>> following this thread with interest. >>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 8:51:01 AM UTC-4 eddietheflay wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here's a Quikr demo of an ebike with fenders and a rack. I know >>>>>>>> we're not talking ebikes here but some of the issues prob apply to your >>>>>>>> normal bike with fenders and rack: >>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=ac57164e41e9010e&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ADLYWILR16mc0d4NuTFXlUYgnfbMkhoR7A:1722342812906&q=Quikr+Rack&tbm=vid&source=lnms&fbs=AEQNm0BglSNKPbDQcL4Et01QEIYvJ5VGsHgUL_tsKqYywhWXkknveTpaLEIQiU02u5i1FK5Aui8Lbcs6UtNG0K_ZRX5_Sfaez_nbio7ZevU-01UapAjSv2wQk2-mAIavlPl_IkQ9yjJrEAWBuJoPLi7CJPLOGmXJAB-cC9hSF3CAeTg0OrmMoOkp_LJE5lRf15vrfQGVTuGVYB7nO8MG0W7JENMvjGyviA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjAva384s6HAxWyKUQIHRtWDr0Q0pQJegQIFxAB&biw=1422&bih=621&dpr=1.35#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:cc99a11e,vid:H9848h70rrY,st:0 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 5:32:49 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't think the quikrstuff is a *vast* improvement over 1UP so >>>>>>>>> I went with 1UP based on reviews and money. That was just based on >>>>>>>>> functionality not ethics of the company. I like to support companies >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> aren't sketchy so I am really interested in what that archived article >>>>>>>>> says. The link isn't working for me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 7:58:31 AM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I’m probably going to be the only one here to recommend a Küat NV >>>>>>>>>> 2.0, because I know this group has thoroughly lauded the 1UP racks >>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>> times over… but please take my 4 years of experience with this rack >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> what it’s worth. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> While they are very well-built racks with nice features (and MUSA >>>>>>>>>> is a plus), as an owner of several bikes with metal fenders and >>>>>>>>>> racks, I >>>>>>>>>> simply do not like the way the arms on 1UP racks clamp down on >>>>>>>>>> fendered >>>>>>>>>> bikes. Yes, I know they make a little foam spacer, but the arm still >>>>>>>>>> has to >>>>>>>>>> ratchet down and put pressure on your fenders, and I can’t see a >>>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>> foam padding doing much to prevent potential deformation of a >>>>>>>>>> fender. One >>>>>>>>>> of my best friends has a 1UP that he loves for all his other bikes >>>>>>>>>> *except* >>>>>>>>>> for his racked and fendered bike, and he readily admits it to me >>>>>>>>>> despite >>>>>>>>>> being such a 1UP fan. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The NV 2.0 uses a ratcheting swing arm for the front, and a >>>>>>>>>> ratcheting rear wheel strap, so you don’t have to clamp anything >>>>>>>>>> down on >>>>>>>>>> your fenders. I put a couple of extra Voile straps on each wheel and >>>>>>>>>> around >>>>>>>>>> the tray of the rack just for extra security. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have possibly THE longest Riv possible, with the exception of >>>>>>>>>> say, an XL Gus. My 54cm medium Gus, with a 50” wheelbase fits just >>>>>>>>>> fine and >>>>>>>>>> secure on my Küat because 50” is the max. wheelbase… and I’ve >>>>>>>>>> carried a >>>>>>>>>> 55cm Playtpus that fits perfectly (so there’s your confirmation in >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> respect). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The built-in cable locks are also a very nice feature. I carry >>>>>>>>>> two fendered bikes nearly 900 miles to FL and back 4-5 times each >>>>>>>>>> year, and >>>>>>>>>> have never had any issues or felt like they were insecure at all. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Brian >>>>>>>>>> Lex KY >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2024, at 7:10 AM, Steven Sweedler <swee...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leah, a friend bought one of these racks after extensive research >>>>>>>>>> and couldn’t be happier. He uses it for an array of bikes with and >>>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>>> fenders and suspension, he continues to rave about it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Steven Sweedler >>>>>>>>>> Plymouth, New Hampshire >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 6:51 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! < >>>>>>>>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am no longer a minivan driver. The old gal gave up the ghost >>>>>>>>>>> and I replaced her with a Kia Telluride (Leah’s Kia!). I’ve got an >>>>>>>>>>> appt to >>>>>>>>>>> have a hitch installed Aug 12, and meanwhile am handwringing about >>>>>>>>>>> racks. I >>>>>>>>>>> have a Saris Freedom 4 bike rack that I really liked. But it’s full >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> plastic pieces, which are beginning to fail, AND the rack doesn’t >>>>>>>>>>> play well >>>>>>>>>>> with all vehicles. My husband’s Jeep Gladiator has a bumper that >>>>>>>>>>> interferes >>>>>>>>>>> with the rack being in the folded position. I won’t know how it >>>>>>>>>>> fits with >>>>>>>>>>> the Telluride until I get that hitch. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So, I’ve been looking into racks that will work with fendered, >>>>>>>>>>> racked bikes. There are no perfect options, only options that >>>>>>>>>>> *might* work. >>>>>>>>>>> I emailed RivSister Joyce, who has fendered, racked Rivs and a 1Up >>>>>>>>>>> rack and >>>>>>>>>>> she said something interesting. She likes her 1Up, but also, the >>>>>>>>>>> makers >>>>>>>>>>> split and there’s another company out there making a similar rack >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> improvements. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I did some sleuthing and found this: >>>>>>>>>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20210212153807/https://www.1upusahistory.com/https://web.archive.org/web/20210212153807/https://www.1upusahistory.com/https://web.archive.org/web/20210212153807/https://www.1upusahistory.com/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And then I went to their website: https://quikrstuff.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think the Quikr racks look really, really fantastic. They just >>>>>>>>>>> cost a MINT. I’m wondering if any of you have heard of them and/or >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> one. I really need a good option in my back pocket for when this >>>>>>>>>>> Saris >>>>>>>>>>> fails or when I discover it hits into the back of my Telluride. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If nothing else, this is an interesting discussion because there >>>>>>>>>>> are a lot of 1Up fans here and if the article is true, that’s pretty >>>>>>>>>>> despicable behavior on the one guy’s part… >>>>>>>>>>> Leah >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/915d8e25-b4a7-4971-bec0-e094b90e26c5n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/915d8e25-b4a7-4971-bec0-e094b90e26c5n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALimyfLtErpHuKGBXNCvGEALZYtz2DcyRTB%3Dhn_B%3DbwFT38kNA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALimyfLtErpHuKGBXNCvGEALZYtz2DcyRTB%3Dhn_B%3DbwFT38kNA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/70caa7cb-f885-42bb-9028-1d2e9cb73612n%40googlegroups.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/70caa7cb-f885-42bb-9028-1d2e9cb73612n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ba3da095-3d89-4e75-af62-e0b99fedb2bdn%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ba3da095-3d89-4e75-af62-e0b99fedb2bdn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/x9TDkm3F6-o/unsubscribe > . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fbbc37ff-5570-4298-be67-b044061ff7d8n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fbbc37ff-5570-4298-be67-b044061ff7d8n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/C9332094-059D-465C-9854-30687FAB59F0%40gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/C9332094-059D-465C-9854-30687FAB59F0%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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