Hi Ted, >> stiffer...on the stiff-ish side.... more springy ....and like a limp noodle
Thanks for your exhaustive and highly quantitative analysis :) >> like a limp noodle compared to the Cheviot. A diamond frame really does not do much flexing, at least vertically.. it is amazing to me how we can really feel a difference when riding. I can tell which frames are stiff but on the other hand it might be in my head. After the recent Rivendell 'string test' I'm more willing to believe that the difference is real and bigger than I'd thought. >> A bit more springy, mostly because of the fork, I think I believe you are right, but again don't really know. The bike that I'll be buried with is a Cannondale T400 I bought new 30 years ago. Fenders with 38 mm tires work, and 28s are fine, too. It's light and stiff and bright red and a joy to ride just about anywhere. But my best rider is a 1987 ST600 with modern wheels and 32 mm Conti GPs. No fenders, and no room for more tires, so it's mostly for asphalt and nice weather, and at 25 inches, it's borderline too tall for me. But it's a joy on the road, light weight, and the fork is much springier, as befits a sport tourer vs. an outright touring bike. Every time I get on that bike it feels fast, which I can't really understand. I've happily ridden up to 80 miles on it, which isn't going to impress anyone in this crowd :) Both of these are stiff in the rear triangle thanks to oversize aluminum. That does not make them uncomfortable. Switching out the T400 unicrown fork for something more rando-y would probably make superb long-distance bikes. Has anyone here tried that? Make a bicycle more compliant by switching out the fork? cheers -mathias On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 12:04:52 PM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote: > On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 7:22:33 AM UTC-5 Mathias Steiner wrote: > > I'd like to renew my request for kitchen scale frame and fork weights from > recipients of Sam Hillborne frames. > I wonder if they are as brutally stiff as my TIG'd tourer. I'm not even > sure that's a bad thing, but I'm curious. > > > I will try to remember to weigh mine before building it up. I have two > from the previous batch, and I have had lots of other frames for > comparison. Bearing in mind I'm super skinny and riding them on ~48mm > tires, they feel notably stiffer than my skinny-light-tube noodle > Terraferma, on the stiff-ish side of my road bikes (Rivendell custom, > Waterford ST-22, Heron Road), similar to the Bleriot, quite a bit more > springy than the Waterford-built Riv ATB, and like a limp noodle compared > to the Cheviot. The best comparison would be my BreadWinner G-Road, and it > should say something that my new Sam is replacing my G-Road. A bit more > springy, mostly because of the fork, I think, and a bit better fit. > > Ted Durant > Milwaukee WI USA > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/bec2c31a-2b88-4e12-81c2-2264953da9b3n%40googlegroups.com.
