i'm soon going to find myself in a similar situation. have been using my 
sam with the yepp maxi in the rear. i initially installed it on a mt-campee 
rear rack when he was much smaller and i wasnt really concerned with the 
weight, but hes close enough to the 40 mark that i'm worried about it. have 
been using it a ton this summer too.

unfortunately don't have real room or budget for a second bike, but will 
also never say never to it, especially if him and i can continue moving 
around efficiently. 

hoping for more ideas from others with similar experiences.

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 4:44:26 PM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:

> Hello Drew,
>
> The only cargo bike I have experience with a Surly Big Dummy. I've had it 
> for over 10 years now, my sons have long out grown it, but I still use it 
> once a week to go the farmer's market and load it up. I understand your 
> concerns about the long wheel base, it does take up a lot of room. Have you 
> looked at the older Specialized Globe Haul? Not as long a wheelbase as the 
> big dummy, but it does have an integrated rear rack. Not sure how easy it 
> is to find a used one...
>
> JohnS
> [image: GlobeHaul.jpg]
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 4:18:04 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> Max - love that Ritchey cargo bike. But dreamy pricey - take a cool old 
>> $300 MTB and add a $350 fork and ask $2900 for it!
>> Hoch - I know some love a trailer, but I never liked having my kids that 
>> far away and that low
>> Piaw - love those stories. I never had a tandem for my kids, but I agree 
>> - you do the work, the kids like it!
>> Drew - I love both of those mini cargo bikes. Can't go wrong there!
>>
>> We had, over the years:
>>
>>    - a box bike <https://www.joe-bike.com/about/the-boxbike-pg88.htm>: 
>>    lots of smiles from passers by, kids loved it (just ride and chill!), but 
>> I 
>>    never used it unless I had more than one kid. Takes up a lot of space
>>    - a yuba mundo: long, but super useful. Felt just like an old 
>>    mountain bike when empty. Looks like they are moving more towards 
>> electric.
>>    - A workcycles Fr8 <https://workcycles.com/product/workcycles-fr8/>: 
>>    this was the one that is most like a regular bike. Heavy as all hell, but 
>>    super comfy to ride. I got the seat that goes in front and the kids all 
>>    fought for that space until they were older than 10!
>>
>> Best of luck. Let us know what you settle on,
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 2:21:39 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Not what you’re looking for, but I saw this bike the other day and 
>>> thought it looked cool (not cheap though)
>>>
>>> Log into Facebook 
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>>> facebook.com 
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/248332157591949/?mibextid=6ojiHh>
>>> [image: hLRJ1GG_y0J.ico] 
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/248332157591949/?mibextid=6ojiHh>
>>>  
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/248332157591949/?mibextid=6ojiHh>
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>> On Jul 21, 2023, at 2:47 PM, Drw <drewbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I guess I should've mentioned that space is a real issue, and the child 
>>> is 5 years old. Ideally the cargo bike would have the same footprint as the 
>>> rivendell it would be replacing. Also our riding is almost entirely urban, 
>>> much of it without bike lanes, so I worry about the trailer option. I have 
>>> no evidence, but pulling it through traffic makes me nervous. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:20:00 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> My personal solution was to get a tandem (really, a triplet/quad that 
>>>> converts). The kids love it, and we just rolled over 13k miles on it since 
>>>> getting it 8 years ago. Other parents will tell me that my kids are 
>>>> special, and that their kids couldn't stay on a bike that long. I would 
>>>> take their kids on the tandem and it turns out that their kids had no 
>>>> problem biking for as long as mine. It's just that most parents don't want 
>>>> to do the work. Yes, it's expensive (though not that expensive if you buy 
>>>> used), but in exchange you get kids that would rather go on a bike tour 
>>>> than disneyland.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 10:49:29 AM UTC-7 Drw wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For the last 4 years I've been carrying my kid and all of our family's 
>>>>> gear on a rosco bubbe mountain step-thru with crust clydesdale fork. 
>>>>> [image: 
>>>>> IMG_2875.jpg]
>>>>> Overall, it's been great, but as he gets bigger, having that amount of 
>>>>> weight, that high up, plus a decent load up front is starting to feel 
>>>>> really wiggly. I had early on thought that my son would be riding a bike 
>>>>> well enough to transition to one of those tag a long attachments like the 
>>>>> burley piccolo, but he has some sensory issues with balance and gross 
>>>>> motor 
>>>>> that will probably make that not a real possibility before he is big 
>>>>> enough 
>>>>> to just be riding fully on his own. 
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I'm looking for a compact cargo bike with the following 
>>>>> requirements. 
>>>>> -Non electric
>>>>> -Footprint no bigger than a standard bike 
>>>>> -Platform/bench rear seat for kids
>>>>> -Some front cargo capability
>>>>> -uses deraillers (though i could be swayed to an IGH)
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now I am mostly looking at the bike friday haul-a-day elite 
>>>>> <https://bikefriday.com/product/bike-friday-haul-a-day-elite-cargo-bike/>and
>>>>>  
>>>>> the tern short haul D8 
>>>>> <https://www.ternbicycles.com/us/bikes/471/short-haul-d8>. Both have 
>>>>> pros and cons. I am open to any other cool options. And any thoughts 
>>>>> about 
>>>>> the above models would be appreciated as well. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Drew
>>>>>
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