I guess I should've mentioned that space is a real issue, and the child is 
5 years old. Ideally the cargo bike would have the same footprint as the 
rivendell it would be replacing. Also our riding is almost entirely urban, 
much of it without bike lanes, so I worry about the trailer option. I have 
no evidence, but pulling it through traffic makes me nervous. 

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:20:00 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> My personal solution was to get a tandem (really, a triplet/quad that 
> converts). The kids love it, and we just rolled over 13k miles on it since 
> getting it 8 years ago. Other parents will tell me that my kids are 
> special, and that their kids couldn't stay on a bike that long. I would 
> take their kids on the tandem and it turns out that their kids had no 
> problem biking for as long as mine. It's just that most parents don't want 
> to do the work. Yes, it's expensive (though not that expensive if you buy 
> used), but in exchange you get kids that would rather go on a bike tour 
> than disneyland.
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 10:49:29 AM UTC-7 Drw wrote:
>
>> For the last 4 years I've been carrying my kid and all of our family's 
>> gear on a rosco bubbe mountain step-thru with crust clydesdale fork. [image: 
>> IMG_2875.jpg]
>> Overall, it's been great, but as he gets bigger, having that amount of 
>> weight, that high up, plus a decent load up front is starting to feel 
>> really wiggly. I had early on thought that my son would be riding a bike 
>> well enough to transition to one of those tag a long attachments like the 
>> burley piccolo, but he has some sensory issues with balance and gross motor 
>> that will probably make that not a real possibility before he is big enough 
>> to just be riding fully on his own. 
>>
>> So, I'm looking for a compact cargo bike with the following requirements. 
>> -Non electric
>> -Footprint no bigger than a standard bike 
>> -Platform/bench rear seat for kids
>> -Some front cargo capability
>> -uses deraillers (though i could be swayed to an IGH)
>>
>> Right now I am mostly looking at the bike friday haul-a-day elite 
>> <https://bikefriday.com/product/bike-friday-haul-a-day-elite-cargo-bike/>and 
>> the tern short haul D8 
>> <https://www.ternbicycles.com/us/bikes/471/short-haul-d8>. Both have 
>> pros and cons. I am open to any other cool options. And any thoughts about 
>> the above models would be appreciated as well. 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Drew
>>
>>

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