Hi Masa, thanks for your kind message. You asked "Can I ask you how you describe the feel of the shorter wheelbase Rivs please?" — in brief, I find the ride of the shorter wheelbase Rivs wonderful!
Perhaps all of the characteristic differences between short and long wheelbase Rivs are relative, and it's hard for me to speak about the longer wheelbase models comparatively because I have only ridden one of them, and for a short time. The Hunqapillar has always felt very stable and comfortable to me regardless of the riding surface (pavement or off road), surface conditions, or loads that I carry (whether heavily loaded in the front, the back, both front and back, or unloaded). It tracks straight and inspires confidence. But I think it's important to note that the Hunq's "short" wheelbase is short only relative to the newer super long wheelbase Rivs, not short to most other bicycles. Grant was singing the virtues of Riv's long chain stays many, many years before Riv started producing super long models. Folks who have more recent very long Rivs rave about how stable and comfortable they are. I'd love to ride one for longer because it sounds fantastic. I'm sure your Platypus rides beautifully! While the old Toyo Atlantis has a shorter wheelbase and chain stay than the Hunq, its ride is similarly stable and confidence inspiring. It does feel a touch more nimble, more easily maneuverable. (And I love the classic proportions and aesthetics of the Atlantis.) The front end is floppier than the Hunq's and I'm not sure if that is because of the geometry differences or because it has a narrow drop bar. I have noticeably more toe clip overlap on the Atlantis than the Hunq. I will be getting an upright, swept back bar for the Atlantis (I have Bosco on the Hunq) because riding drop bars very much hurts my shoulders and wrists. I'm curious how upright bars will change how the Atlantis feels. I have much wider tires on the Hunq (55mm) than the Atlantis (40mm), which also affect the feel. I will get wider tires for the Atlantis, too. I very much take to heart a point Grant makes over and over: many factors and many variables beyond geometry numbers affect how a bike rides and feels. On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 8:39:04 AM UTC-5 Masa wrote: > Hi Jim, I too am really enjoying this thread to know how the people > ride/plan their Rivendells! > I can easily tell that how your Rivs are beautiful even from the head > badges:) > > Can I ask you how you describe the feel of the shorter wheelbase Rivs > please? > Since my only Riv is Platypus which has longer wheelbase and so do > majority of the current line up of Riv, I'm not familiar with the shorter > ones. > The more I like the feel of the longer wheelbase Riv, the more I'm curious > how is the feel of the shorter ones. > I would like to know how you feel them! > > Thanks, > Masa > > 2022年12月8日木曜日 11:33:57 UTC+9 J J: > >> I’m really enjoying this thread! Thanks for initiating it, Masa. >> >> Like John, I have a Waterford Hunqapillar (58) I bought new from >> Rivendell. Also like John, I have a Toyo Atlantis (61), a recent >> acquisition. So John's post really resonated. >> >> [image: Hunqapillar head badge.jpg] >> >> A few weeks ago someone asked me, “Why did you buy an Atlantis if you >> already have a Hunq?” I really hadn’t thought about that question. I guess >> the implication was that the two bikes had overlap of purpose. >> >> To my mind it was more like, why *wouldn’t* I buy the Atlantis? It >> checked a lot of boxes: Toyo built; fully lugged; quintessential Rivendell; >> beautiful; robust; classic good looks; the submarine green. >> >> [image: Atlantis head badge.jpg] >> >> I don’t think anything could replace the Hunq, my true all-rounder. I’d >> buy another if the bike gods kindly bestowed one on me. There is precedent >> in my household of having two of the same bike, a Wilbury and a Glorius. >> >> [image: Wilbury head badge.jpg] >> >> [image: Glorius head badge.jpg] >> >> But the more I ride the Atlantis the more I appreciate just how special >> it is, too. It reminds me of the Hunq in robustness, stability, and lovely >> ride, but it is more compact and a bit livelier and lighter. And I could >> load it up if I needed to. I love the feel and aesthetics of the shorter >> wheelbase Rivs. All Rivs are great no matter where they are produced. >> There's something distinctive about the Toyo-built Rivs that's hard to pin >> down. >> >> Jim >> >> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 2:03:24 PM UTC-5 Scott wrote: >> >>> Shoji, >>> >>> Thank you for educating me on Atlantis history and sharing the >>> article...much appreciated! >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:02:01 AM MST, Shoji Takahashi < >>> shoji.t...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Scott, >>> "Atlantis 2" on Rivendell's model is because Bridgestone had an >>> "Atlantis" model, designed by Hiro Watanabe. >>> >>> You can read about it in RR35 available here: >>> http://notfine.com/rivreader/ >>> >>> Thanks >>> Shoji >>> Arlington MA >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 12:19:56 PM UTC-5 Scott wrote: >>> >>> Affectionately acknowledged, Max. Ride on... >>> >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 10:15:44 AM MST, reynoldslugs < >>> be...@perrylaw.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Scott et al - >>> >>> correction - sorry, the saddle on the Atlantis is an SMP Avant: >>> >>> >>> https://www.performancebike.com/selle-smp-avant-saddle-black-aisi-304-rails-154mm-zstrikeamne/p1262159?v=531971&gclid=Cj0KCQiAkMGcBhCSARIsAIW6d0C4B_hvbJZzbo7h6LftzDSyVysuuUTlKKqOM_1-J5mYoAJjo7O4FOEaAta9EALw_wcB >>> >>> It doesn't look as nice as the Selle Anatomica, but I switched a number >>> of bikes over to the SMP Avant split-seat in my post-cancer life. (I don't >>> usually mention that, but it's no big deal and I'm figuring a number of us >>> have had to accomodate our bikes and components for all kinds of medical >>> reasons as we get older. E.g., cross levers for old arthritic neck, >>> split-saddles for post-surgical comfort.) >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Max B >>> Santa Rosa >>> >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:04:27 AM UTC-8 reynoldslugs wrote: >>> >>> Mon Cher Scott: >>> >>> That's my Atlantis, yes. It's one of the originals, I think I bought it >>> from Rivendell in 2003. I am not sure if that makes it a Toyo or something >>> else, but I guess Toyo. >>> >>> The saddle is a Selle Anatomica: >>> >>> >>> https://selleanatomica.com/products/x1?currency=USD&variant=26447320072&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQiAkMGcBhCSARIsAIW6d0DMPdR14gbzi7T9zEFYIZ9F08qIQgL-wwcThaZvwO5jRqNN3IPjFhgaAqUhEALw_wcB >>> >>> As for the cockpit, those are regular in-line Paul Cross levers on the >>> handlebars: >>> >>> https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/brake-levers/inline/cross-lever/ >>> >>> My reasoning - i.e., the experience that led me to start putting >>> in-line cross levers on my bikes comes from long rides with long >>> downhills. After six hours or so of riding, they provide a comfortable >>> alternative to braking in the drops. When I'm tired, I like to have >>> hand-position options for the Pine Flat Rd descent (3,000' descent), or >>> one of the other hills around here. >>> >>> Best, >>> Max B >>> Santa Rosa CA >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:47:53 AM UTC-8 Scott wrote: >>> >>> Max: >>> >>> I've wiped the drool from my chin and have a few questions about the >>> Atlantis, please. I assume it's yours. >>> >>> Is it a Toyo model (I don't get the Atlantis squared decal on downtube >>> and the downtube shifter bosses)? >>> >>> What saddle is that?! >>> >>> Can you speak to and describe your cockpit and reasoning behind it, >>> namely the multiple brake levers (is one a pass-through/slave)? >>> >>> Happy Holidays, all! >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 08:23:30 AM MST, reynoldslugs < >>> be...@perrylaw.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Well, I'd choose this: >>> >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157696979339224 >>> >>> and that: >>> >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157645542691980 >>> >>> Legolas - fast and fun, light. Always makes me happy. >>> Atlantis - same but more rock solid. >>> >>> My favorite bike... is whichever one I'm riding at the moment. >>> >>> Happy Holidays everyone, stay safe >>> Max Beach >>> Santa Rosa CA >>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:30:49 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote: >>> >>> Hey Masa! >>> >>> This is a cool companion to the occasional One Riv To Rule Them All >>> threads we do around here. >>> >>> I'm currently a one Riv (and one folding bike) person, my custom is a >>> low-stepover kinda-pavement-oriented bike like your Platypus: It'll go just >>> about anywhere but wasn't designed for hardcore off-road riding or full-on >>> touring loads. I've done some shopping runs on it that I could feel in the >>> frame was probably pushing my luck with how much weight I was carrying, so >>> for me my second Riv would be heavier duty. I've also recently moved to an >>> area with a bunch of fire roads and singletrack, and although my riding >>> interests/capabilities would preclude major mountain biking escapades I'd >>> still like to know my frame could take the abuse. >>> >>> So I'd reach as far from my lightish roadish frame as possible, which >>> takes me past the lugged frames and into Clem or Gus territory. What I end >>> up with - if/when I decide to do it - would depend largely on money and >>> opportunity to pick something up. I really like the Gus but they're pricey >>> even used and rarely available; Clems are great and easier to find. I've >>> owned a few and imagine I'll have one again sometime. >>> >>> I hope this was helpful for you. I saw on another thread that you asked >>> Leah for a comparison of her Platy(s) and Clem L, I hope she chimes in >>> here, she has much to say and says it well! 🙂 >>> >>> Joe Bernard >>> >>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:52:42 PM UTC-8 Masa wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 Rivendells if you >>> could own. >>> >>> Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What kind of >>> roads? Any definition is welcome. >>> >>> I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it everywhere >>> for any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I just would like to >>> know how you would add one more Riv or how you are riding 2 Rivs already as >>> a reference (possibly for my future 2nd Riv). >>> >>> I hope you enjoy the topic! >>> >>> Masa >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/bd14d409-f811-4838-927d-851d0aacc173n%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/bd14d409-f811-4838-927d-851d0aacc173n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/aec17141-7226-487c-a9a8-6f8ca3a42692n%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/aec17141-7226-487c-a9a8-6f8ca3a42692n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0aaa3060-7a21-4b70-91ba-89ef1ac6ae3dn%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0aaa3060-7a21-4b70-91ba-89ef1ac6ae3dn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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