((( Laughing )) .... I hate it when anyone asks "what's your pbh ?" It's like asking "what's your sign ?" As if it means what ... ? Going by crotch height alone totally ignores/assumes what frame reach someone may want/need. If you're a everyday cyclist it's very helpful to teach yourself about these things. Posting the frame stack and reach is very helpful, but the guys @Riv don't make it easily known. Bike fitters and formulas are all geared certain "outputs" that go along with their biased "inputs". If you don't like their answers, it's better to do it yourself as no one knows you better. You can get creative and think outside the boxes of cycling "conventions"(like crank length for example), which largely go unchallenged by most.
Now, if I didn't know exactly the dimensions of a frame I need I may have bought other stock Rivs and been sadly disappointed and sold them due to a too short of frame reach. I don't dig the high bar/upright "driving Miss Daisy" thing at all either. I tried it and found I liked much more forward leaning positions and bars no higher than the saddle, even with Albatross bars. I'm as flexible on the bike as I ever was and will put on some drop bars over the winter as that's a good time to mess with such things. I can still ride in a comfortable race-like position and have a "heads up" view. Having a strong core is most helpful. I'm thoroughly enjoying riding fast with the pedal to the metal this year. Just hammer and stop thinking ! Ahahahahahaaaa ! Hammer hammer hammer and when you're done hammering ..... hammer some more ! It's not about time or distance, it's about F U N ! Just let go of "I am so and so thus limited to so and so" , and BE the fun ! Life is inherently FUN !, lest there be LIFE at all . I can drive like Miss Daisy in my pickup truck but I don't want to ride my bike like that ! Hammer time, yipeee ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9c1a9ffa-466a-4803-82e0-6b37bc7b9b91n%40googlegroups.com.