These are some really, really nice Appaloosa setups. Erik, I really love 
the look of those Jones bars on yours in the photo from earlier in the 
thread! And Ken, that's one of the nicest, most practical Appaloosa builds 
I've seen yet. So much inspiration!

-Brian

On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 2:22:36 PM UTC-4 Ken Yokanovich wrote:

> I recently *considered* switching my Appaloosa over to drop bars. That 
> is, until I did some measurements to compare to my 6 other bikes with drop 
> bars. Off the top of my head, I cannot recall the exact measurements, but I 
> would have had to use a 5cm stem to get the bars into a desired position on 
> the Appaloosa. I previously tried and did not like Choco-Moose, currently 
> using and very-much-enjoy the Bosco bars.
>
> 60cm Appaloosa, saddle height 765mm as pictured
> [image: Appaloosa.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 1:11:11 PM UTC-5 Kevin wrote:
>
>> I've gone through enough cockpits (8?) to wonder if I should just move on 
>> from the bike. Would be interested to see/hear if people have had success 
>> with drop bars on the newer Appaloosas. I've got mine to where the 
>> measurements suggest they should be comfortable and still it feels a little 
>> long.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 11:03:27 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> I'm 6'2, 92-93 pbh. I ride one of the newer 60cm appaloosa's. I have the 
>>> 55mm reneherse knobby fleecer ridge, no toe overlap problems at all. I've 
>>> only run the bike so far with two setups - losco's on a 11cm tallux, and a 
>>> the riv bull moose. I really like both depending on my mood or situation. 
>>> The bullmoose is great when I'm riding more rough off road stuff, and I 
>>> feel like it allows a more aggressive position. Even with the rise I can 
>>> have them set up level with my saddle height, maybe even a little lower 
>>> than. I recently got a pair of bosco's I'd like to try out for an even more 
>>> laidback position than the losco's. The chocomooses look awesome to me, 
>>> maybe one day I'll snag a pair. I'd love to try all the riv handlebars out 
>>> on that bike, just trying to resist the urge to empty my bank account for a 
>>> pair of each...
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 2:23:38 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm 6'1" (93 PBH) and ride a 2TT 62. I currently have just about maxed 
>>>> it out with 2.25 Thunderburts and have zero overlap. I also wanted to 
>>>> comment on bar swapping. I started with Albatross bars with bar ends. 
>>>> Didn't feel like I had enough hand positions. Moved to Billie's which were 
>>>> excellent. I currently have the Jones Loop Bar with a 31.8 clamp stem. 
>>>> This 
>>>> bar stem combo did a great job of stiffening the front end but I never 
>>>> liked the way they look. I had a desire to return to a traditional Riv 
>>>> aesthetic and will put the Billie's back on. I had sold my Billie bars to 
>>>> a 
>>>> fellow forum member who lives locally. Fortunately for me he has been 
>>>> gracious enough to sell them back to me! This time when I reinstall the 
>>>> Billie's I am going to Paul Thumbies and will try my Fabio's chest on the 
>>>> bars to see how I like that set up. This to me is one of the joys of 
>>>> riding 
>>>> a Rivendell. Always lots of options as to how you set them up. 
>>>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 1:19:52 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 6'1" with long legs (92pbh). I had a 62 Appaloosa and currently have a 
>>>>> 60 Appaloosa. I've never had toe overlap on either. I've used 38's on up 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> 57's (and 50's with fenders). I would size the frame based on your riding 
>>>>> style. If you are thinking drops or either moose and you don't like the 
>>>>> bars very upright, I would probably size down. The mooses have a lot of 
>>>>> rise built in and you may be limited on how far down you can push them. 
>>>>> Not 
>>>>> an issue if you want them more upright. Also, in my experience, the 
>>>>> Appaloosa prefers tires 50mm+.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bones
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 1:01:44 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Resurrecting an old thread, as I'm lazily pondering an Appaloosa with 
>>>>>> a ChocoMoose set-up (if I can find one). How's the toe overlap on this 
>>>>>> with 
>>>>>> ~50 mm tire? 42 mm tire? Folks who are ~6' tall, what size frame are you 
>>>>>> riding? Drop-bar or BullMoose or ChocoMoose? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Max "who can't stop tinkering" in A2 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I used to ride with the Albatross but the bends in the bars were 
>>>>>>> uncomfortable when I wanted to put my hands in a more forwards 
>>>>>>> position.  I 
>>>>>>> switched to Bosco bars and love them but I am ridiculously upright.  I 
>>>>>>> can 
>>>>>>> lean forwards and rest my elbows on by bar grips, with my hands in the 
>>>>>>> center of the bar.  I can hardly stand and pedal though, as my hands 
>>>>>>> will 
>>>>>>> basically be at my hips.  I'l like to switch and am considering the 
>>>>>>> choco-moose based off this thread.
>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:15:49 AM UTC-5 Andrew Turner 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah I'm a handlebar fiend. The first bar I became obsessed with 
>>>>>>>> was the Albatross with bar-end shifters. Truly a perfect cockpit. The 
>>>>>>>> second handlebar obsession was the Nitto B135 in the 45cm flavor... 
>>>>>>>> but 
>>>>>>>> then I discovered my preference for shorter reach, which led me to my 
>>>>>>>> third 
>>>>>>>> and maybe-latest favorite: Ritchey's Butano handlebar. Another perfect 
>>>>>>>> one: 
>>>>>>>> it's ridiculously comfortable with just a single layer of Green Grips 
>>>>>>>> cotton bar tape. HOWEVER. I'm waiting on a new pair of Albatross bars 
>>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>> come in the mail from Riv, so I'm going back to the beginning to see 
>>>>>>>> how 
>>>>>>>> that feels. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Going from drops to alt-bars is the biggest swap for me because it 
>>>>>>>> usually means I've completely changed the intention of the build from 
>>>>>>>> an 
>>>>>>>> endurance-focused bike (drops) to a fun, smell the roses, 
>>>>>>>> better-all-terrain bike (alt-bars). It's on like a 1.5-2 year rotation 
>>>>>>>> it 
>>>>>>>> seems. I romanticize spending all day on the saddle, try it, get 
>>>>>>>> progressively more bored for the next year and a half, then revert 
>>>>>>>> and/or 
>>>>>>>> graduate to Albatross bars until I get sick of the headwind on a paved 
>>>>>>>> ride 
>>>>>>>> in another year and a half!   
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:04:27 AM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yep!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/135532314029/the-joe-appaloosa-saga-its-a-new-bike
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 12:31:54 AM UTC-5 Erik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Were the choco moose bars original equipment on the first round 
>>>>>>>>>> of Appaloosas?  
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:10:33 PM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [image: 186E1CD7-3716-4BE9-A68B-A3B5D6CD2FD2.jpeg]+1 choco moose
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 7:18:11 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Same here for the choco moose bars on this bike. I switched to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> albatross to lighten the build, but went back to the perfect  bars 
>>>>>>>>>>>> for this 
>>>>>>>>>>>> bike—choco moose. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 12:58:54 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did the same thing to my Appaloosas: boscomoose, bullmoose, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chocomoose, choco, albatross, billie. All of them worked great on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike. At the end of the day I always come back to the chocomoose 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> though. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is something magical about those bars, at least for me. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great hand 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> positions. I love how they are inverted. And yes, they are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tougher and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stiffer than other bars 'n stems. They work great with bar end 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shifters or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thumbies. One thing I discovered is that although I think the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> silver 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shifters are the best, the clamp is not so great for inboard 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thumbies. The 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> microshift shifters with paul levers have a nice low profile and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interrupt your hand positions. With respect to the Newbaums, yes 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> used a shameful amount for bar swaps over the years. At some 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> point I just 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> started slipping oury grips on the end and leaving the forward 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> grip areas 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> permanently taped. Bike looks great!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:57:14 AM UTC-5 Nick Payne 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just used my standard Nitto drop bar on my Appaloosa, with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a shorter stem than on my other bikes because it has a longer 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top tube. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brake levers in their normal location, wrapped the bars, haven't 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything since:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: PXL_20201213_024100183.jpg]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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