6'1" with long legs (92pbh). I had a 62 Appaloosa and currently have a 60 
Appaloosa. I've never had toe overlap on either. I've used 38's on up to 
57's (and 50's with fenders). I would size the frame based on your riding 
style. If you are thinking drops or either moose and you don't like the 
bars very upright, I would probably size down. The mooses have a lot of 
rise built in and you may be limited on how far down you can push them. Not 
an issue if you want them more upright. Also, in my experience, the 
Appaloosa prefers tires 50mm+.

Bones

On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 1:01:44 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:

> Resurrecting an old thread, as I'm lazily pondering an Appaloosa with a 
> ChocoMoose set-up (if I can find one). How's the toe overlap on this with 
> ~50 mm tire? 42 mm tire? Folks who are ~6' tall, what size frame are you 
> riding? Drop-bar or BullMoose or ChocoMoose? 
>
> - Max "who can't stop tinkering" in A2 
>
> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>
>> I used to ride with the Albatross but the bends in the bars were 
>> uncomfortable when I wanted to put my hands in a more forwards position.  I 
>> switched to Bosco bars and love them but I am ridiculously upright.  I can 
>> lean forwards and rest my elbows on by bar grips, with my hands in the 
>> center of the bar.  I can hardly stand and pedal though, as my hands will 
>> basically be at my hips.  I'l like to switch and am considering the 
>> choco-moose based off this thread.
>> On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:15:49 AM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah I'm a handlebar fiend. The first bar I became obsessed with was the 
>>> Albatross with bar-end shifters. Truly a perfect cockpit. The second 
>>> handlebar obsession was the Nitto B135 in the 45cm flavor... but then I 
>>> discovered my preference for shorter reach, which led me to my third and 
>>> maybe-latest favorite: Ritchey's Butano handlebar. Another perfect one: 
>>> it's ridiculously comfortable with just a single layer of Green Grips 
>>> cotton bar tape. HOWEVER. I'm waiting on a new pair of Albatross bars to 
>>> come in the mail from Riv, so I'm going back to the beginning to see how 
>>> that feels. 
>>>
>>> Going from drops to alt-bars is the biggest swap for me because it 
>>> usually means I've completely changed the intention of the build from an 
>>> endurance-focused bike (drops) to a fun, smell the roses, 
>>> better-all-terrain bike (alt-bars). It's on like a 1.5-2 year rotation it 
>>> seems. I romanticize spending all day on the saddle, try it, get 
>>> progressively more bored for the next year and a half, then revert and/or 
>>> graduate to Albatross bars until I get sick of the headwind on a paved ride 
>>> in another year and a half!   
>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:04:27 AM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yep!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/135532314029/the-joe-appaloosa-saga-its-a-new-bike
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 12:31:54 AM UTC-5 Erik wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Were the choco moose bars original equipment on the first round of 
>>>>> Appaloosas?  
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 9:10:33 PM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: 186E1CD7-3716-4BE9-A68B-A3B5D6CD2FD2.jpeg]+1 choco moose
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 7:18:11 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Same here for the choco moose bars on this bike. I switched to 
>>>>>>> albatross to lighten the build, but went back to the perfect  bars for 
>>>>>>> this 
>>>>>>> bike—choco moose. 
>>>>>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 12:58:54 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did the same thing to my Appaloosas: boscomoose, bullmoose, 
>>>>>>>> chocomoose, choco, albatross, billie. All of them worked great on this 
>>>>>>>> bike. At the end of the day I always come back to the chocomoose 
>>>>>>>> though. 
>>>>>>>> There is something magical about those bars, at least for me. Great 
>>>>>>>> hand 
>>>>>>>> positions. I love how they are inverted. And yes, they are tougher and 
>>>>>>>> stiffer than other bars 'n stems. They work great with bar end 
>>>>>>>> shifters or 
>>>>>>>> thumbies. One thing I discovered is that although I think the silver 
>>>>>>>> shifters are the best, the clamp is not so great for inboard thumbies. 
>>>>>>>> The 
>>>>>>>> microshift shifters with paul levers have a nice low profile and don't 
>>>>>>>> interrupt your hand positions. With respect to the Newbaums, yes I 
>>>>>>>> have 
>>>>>>>> used a shameful amount for bar swaps over the years. At some point I 
>>>>>>>> just 
>>>>>>>> started slipping oury grips on the end and leaving the forward grip 
>>>>>>>> areas 
>>>>>>>> permanently taped. Bike looks great!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bones
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:57:14 AM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just used my standard Nitto drop bar on my Appaloosa, with a 
>>>>>>>>> shorter stem than on my other bikes because it has a longer top tube. 
>>>>>>>>> Brake 
>>>>>>>>> levers in their normal location, wrapped the bars, haven't changed 
>>>>>>>>> anything 
>>>>>>>>> since:
>>>>>>>>> [image: PXL_20201213_024100183.jpg]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

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