Thanks Lance. That does seem to be the problem, so many (too many?) choices in 
bars. 

I do ride road and mtn, though probably 80% road thus that desire for something 
with a little drop and having a variety of hand positions. Am narrowing down 
option and albatross is in there. 

John

> On Jun 15, 2022, at 1:09 PM, Lance Terry <lwt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> John,
> I'm running Wavie bars on my Atlantis and really like them. I'm also a 
> mountain biker and maybe I'm just used to the wider bars and the feel of 
> them. I'm running silver thumbies and it works great. Definitely room for a 
> handlebar bag. I'm using them with the Jim stem, 80mm. Works great for me but 
> there are a lot of options. The Albatross is a favorite too. Hard decision to 
> make when you can't try out all the options, at least with a limited bank 
> account. 
> 
>> On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 7:25:42 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Tough question! Sure to get a lot of different opinions. I am on my first 
>> Riv after decades on drops. I really like my 650 wide Tosco bar on my Clem 
>> L. The 650 might be the only one available in the 31.8 clamp size, which is 
>> nice as it is plenty stiff & simply does not slip using a FacePlater stem. 
>> It does not have as much rise as the Bosco. I doubt you will want to flip 
>> them once you try them upright. There are (for me) three good hand 
>> positions. It’s great for a handlebar bag. And it costs less than the Nitto 
>> bars though the finish is great. It is a heavy thing being ChrMo but it 
>> feels indestructible.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 12, 2022, at 8:54 PM, John Moore <jo...@chilmarkresearch.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> In a few weeks I'll join the Rivendell ranks taking possession of a new 
>>> Atlantis 59cm. This will be my first more relaxed bike after decades of 
>>> serious road biking - basically downshifting, partly due to health, partly 
>>> due to changes in what I want a bike to do. 
>>> 
>>> For this Atlantis, I plan to do relaxed around town rides and voyages on 
>>> gravel roads - eg northern New England, rails to trails, eg the cross NY 
>>> state trail system etc., self-supported with the camping gear and the like. 
>>> 
>>> I'm starting to put together my build list and all is coming along fine. 
>>> Brooks saddle, Silver 178 crank, shimano rear derailleur, older campy front 
>>> derailleur, etc.
>>> 
>>> Where I'm really struggling is picking out the bars. Will have thumbies, 
>>> may want to have handlebar bag as well (used one yrs ago when touring 
>>> through Europe) and found it super handy. Also, remember, I'm very 
>>> accustomed to drop bars.
>>> 
>>> So...
>>> 
>>> Looking at Albastashe, but doesn't look compatible with handlebar bag. 
>>> Don't want stem and bar combo. Albatross looks better for handlebar bag but 
>>> not as many hand positions. Not sure about Bosco or Losco, would likely 
>>> flip most of these to get some drop. The portola handlebar from Soma looks 
>>> interesting but unlikely to have enough sweepback for that long top tube of 
>>> Atlantis. 
>>> 
>>> Lastly, brakes. I'm going canti. Are touring Pauls really that much better 
>>> then Dia Compe to justify the price. I like bling, but not excessive which 
>>> seems to be the case with Pauls.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, now calling upon the collective intelligence of this grp to give me 
>>> a hand. Appreciate any and all replies.
>>> 
>>> - John
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