That Harris page is interesting. It shows a 58 cm (my size) as having a 59 cm TT. I have a couple of Atlantis brochures from around when I got mine (2003) that show a 58 with a 58.5 TT. I can understanding rounding 58.5 up to 59. I just measured mine @ 56 cm or maybe 56.5 cm, center to center, head tube to seat tube, along the slope of the top tube. No way to finagle to 58.
The point is Rivendell made running changes that were fairly incremental & non-consequential. The big re-design was going to longer chainstays a few years ago. The brochures are un-dated, and both list the 68 cm size that Harris says "coming 2001". Whereas other manufacturers would use subtle geo changes to call it a "new & improved" bike (along with the latest fad color), Rivendell stuck with the same name & paint scheme and kept improving the basic products. It would be fun to have a list of geometries by serial number but that info is probably non-existent. dougP On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 1:01:12 PM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote: > I'll check it out Scott. > > I just got off the phone with James at Rivendell and we agreed that one of > the largest changes from the first batch of MIT to the current batch of MIT > is that the 56 cm was 650B and the current 55cm is 700c. The first batch of > MIT had a shorter top tube as well making a drop bar more feasible. The new > batch of the MIT as you can see drop the 56 cm altogether. > > I'm going to shoot an email to Grant Just to try to get a better year > understanding of each iteration and maybe some of the geometry changes he > made. We'll see this will be an interesting exchange. > > Hugh n LA > > > > > On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 12:53 PM Scott G. <sco...@primax.com> wrote: > >> >> The Harris page has the specs on the first batch of Atlantis. >> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/atlantis.html#tubing >> Geometry is a bit different in several of the sizes. >> >> >> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 3:46:36 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote: >> >>> Hugh, I don't know those details but you might find it here. Cyclofiend >>> (hosts this list) has a treasure trove of Riv history. >>> >>> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/index.html >>> >>> >>> >>> On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 11:18:25 PM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote: >>> >>>> Joe, I've been wondering about something. Do you know the timelines for >>>> the various iterations? 1. Toyo 1999-? 2.Waterford and later longish >>>> chain >>>> stay iteration Year to 2017? 3. MIT version I believe is 2018- to present. >>>> >>>> I remember my 2003 Atlantis had a <2> on the seat tube and recall >>>> reading that it was the 2nd Toyo run or batch within the Toyo timeline but >>>> have no idea what would have changed between the 1999 to my 2003 model? >>>> >>>> Hugh n LA >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 11:09:46 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote: >>>> >>>>> Short version, others here will know more details: >>>>> >>>>> Original was built in Japan by Toyo, I believe start year was 1999. >>>>> Later iterations gained braze-ons, lost pointy headtube lugs and were >>>>> built >>>>> by Waterford in USA. All of these came with 26" or 700C wheels, all had >>>>> mostly-flat toptubes. >>>>> >>>>> There was an update in the final Waterford run which included slightly >>>>> longer stays and some smaller frames got 650B wheels. >>>>> >>>>> Production shifted to Taiwan a few years ago to the current version >>>>> with much longer stays and a sloping toptube. Sizing is different from >>>>> the >>>>> Toyo/Waterford bikes. >>>>> >>>>> Joe Bernard >>>>> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 10:32:35 AM UTC-7 David wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Super newbie question here, but need to be sure fairly soon here for >>>>>> a purchase... can you fine folks provide me with a quick, bulleted >>>>>> evolution of the Atlantis across the three iterations of the frame? >>>>>> Where >>>>>> it was made, this one has longer stays, etc.? I'm sure this onto is on >>>>>> the >>>>>> website, but sometimes stuff's kind of hidden on there and I often find >>>>>> myself digging and digging for specific info I need. Many, many thanks. >>>>> >>>>> -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/ZxwFXhVvo8M/unsubscribe >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d96f8258-9024-4645-aa25-aaf31d5c00b6n%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d96f8258-9024-4645-aa25-aaf31d5c00b6n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/df01ad02-60d7-4cae-a823-9a2199224281n%40googlegroups.com.
