Doug, Well that would make sense regarding the number two. I just finished reading that riv reader pertaining to the Bridgestone ode to Singer Frenchy bike designed by Mr. Watanabe.
As far as I can tell there was a MIT version after (between) the Waterford run and the current MIT run. I think the distinction was shorter top tube but similarly long chain stays. Just curious the years. Doug your memory has always served me pretty darn well :) Joe, It's funny but If my memory serves me it was Jim's cyclofiend archive site that originally turned me on to Rivendell. My Genesis, back in 2007 I was riding a pinarello, a small bike shop in downtown LA I used to visit, a mechanics there told me about Waterford, He basically said if you want to find a really sweet bike! Go take a look at Waterford. Researching Waterford and at the time blown away by the high cost somehow led me to Jim's site and consequently Rivendell, which was IMHO a great value. And I still think they're a great value. On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 11:00 AM dougP <dougpn...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hugh: > > Somewhere I read that the "2" on the seat tube is a reference to the > Rivendell Atlantis being the second use of the name, the first being an > Atlantis made by Bridgestone but never brought to the US. > > We need our resident Rivendell archivist (the guy with a garage full) to > comment. My understanding is all the Toyo ones had same geometry & only > differed in details such as pointy lugs, roundy lugs and number of braze > ons. Production shifted to Waterford sometime around 2015 & that may have > been addressed in a Riv e-mail or Blahg. It was either 2016 or 2017 when I > rode the Waterford 650B that I believe was a 56. It felt different than my > 58 but I put it off to new bike components. I asked Roman what had changed > & I think he mentioned wheelbase, but it still looked the same. Then when > production went to Taiwan in 2018 (?) the long chainstays were obvious. I > rode one of those & was favorably impressed. > > Some of this is from fuzzy recollection but I think the general facts are > OK. > > dougP > > On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 9:40:50 AM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote: > >> Joe, >> >> Thanks. Jim's RR's stop at Summer 2000, there's some mention around 2009 >> but really less than complete historical account of the Atlantis. I feel a >> project brewing. >> >> Hugh n LA >> >> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 12:46 AM Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hugh, I don't know those details but you might find it here. Cyclofiend >>> (hosts this list) has a treasure trove of Riv history. >>> >>> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/index.html >>> >>> >>> >>> On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 11:18:25 PM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote: >>> >>>> Joe, I've been wondering about something. Do you know the timelines for >>>> the various iterations? 1. Toyo 1999-? 2.Waterford and later longish chain >>>> stay iteration Year to 2017? 3. MIT version I believe is 2018- to present. >>>> >>>> I remember my 2003 Atlantis had a <2> on the seat tube and recall >>>> reading that it was the 2nd Toyo run or batch within the Toyo timeline but >>>> have no idea what would have changed between the 1999 to my 2003 model? >>>> >>>> Hugh n LA >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 11:09:46 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote: >>>> >>>>> Short version, others here will know more details: >>>>> >>>>> Original was built in Japan by Toyo, I believe start year was 1999. >>>>> Later iterations gained braze-ons, lost pointy headtube lugs and were >>>>> built >>>>> by Waterford in USA. All of these came with 26" or 700C wheels, all had >>>>> mostly-flat toptubes. >>>>> >>>>> There was an update in the final Waterford run which included slightly >>>>> longer stays and some smaller frames got 650B wheels. >>>>> >>>>> Production shifted to Taiwan a few years ago to the current version >>>>> with much longer stays and a sloping toptube. Sizing is different from the >>>>> Toyo/Waterford bikes. >>>>> >>>>> Joe Bernard >>>>> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 10:32:35 AM UTC-7 David wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Super newbie question here, but need to be sure fairly soon here for >>>>>> a purchase... can you fine folks provide me with a quick, bulleted >>>>>> evolution of the Atlantis across the three iterations of the frame? >>>>>> Where >>>>>> it was made, this one has longer stays, etc.? I'm sure this onto is on >>>>>> the >>>>>> website, but sometimes stuff's kind of hidden on there and I often find >>>>>> myself digging and digging for specific info I need. 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