I don't think its ALL about the build although that plays a major part. 
There is certainly geometry differences and those LONG wheelbases play into 
how lively a bike feels.  IMO the Appaloosa, Homer and Sam are all totally 
in the same camp and if you thought the Sam was too close to the Appa then 
the Homer likely will too.

On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 12:31:34 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> In my opinion, if you swapped your build kit from a Roadini to a Homer, 
> the only parts that would have to change would be the rear hub and the 
> brake calipers.  If that's the only things that changed, the resulting 
> complete bike would be within a pound.  In my opinion, that build would 
> feel just as light and fast.  
>
> If instead you used your Homer platform as an excuse to add wider knobby 
> tires, plus fenders, plus front and rear racks, and bags, and used wider 
> rims because of the wider tires and necessary rear hub change, and added 
> dynamo lighting because you're already buying a wheelset, then that build 
> would not be within a pound.  It could easily be 10 pounds heavier or more, 
> and that bike may not feel as light and fast as your stripped down Roadini 
> did.  
>
> Echoing Max it's all about the build.  In my stable, I like having at 
> least one super stripped down road bike.  Mine is a Roadeo.  I also like 
> having at least one All Road bike.  I have several bikes that fit in that 
> All Road slot, including a Hillborne and an Ebisu.  I'd hate to pare that 
> down.  Maybe an excuse would be to buy a Homer, and move your Roadini to a 
> vacation bike role.  Like if you have a relative that you visit often, park 
> the Roadini there.  You may find value in keeping both.  Once you have 
> both, you may find you can live without one.  My Hillborne lives at my 
> office in Michigan, and my Ebisu lives at my home in El Cerrito.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 7:38:52 AM UTC-7 Bones wrote:
>
>> I know these comparisons have come up frequently, but here is my 
>> particular situation:
>>
>> I had a 62 Hillborne. It felt too similar to my Appaloosa, so I got a 61 
>> Roadini. I've been riding that for a year and a half and I love it. It 
>> serves the purpose the Hillborne was meant to serve (the Hillborne always 
>> felt a bit too bulky for my intended purpose... which is primarily riding 
>> on roads with light loads). 
>>
>> Sometimes I feel like I overshot with the Roadini though, and the Homer 
>> would be the best choice. I sometimes wish I could put fenders on it, 
>> without having to go with a smaller tire (currently running Barlows on 
>> Quills --> ~41mm). I sometimes wish I could add a small front rack without 
>> using P-clamps.
>>
>> Being a tall and slender fella, pretty much every Rivendell is overbuilt 
>> for me for any of their stated purposes. What I am getting at is would I be 
>> losing anything if I swapped the Roadini for a Homer? Clearly I would gain 
>> in functionality. I am indifferent with respect to the chainstay lengths. I 
>> just want to be sure that the bike would have the same lighter feel that I 
>> experience with the Roadini.
>>
>> Any insight is much appreciated!
>>
>> Bones
>>
>

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