Ed makes a great point about sizing.  For me, at 83 seems to be the high 
end for most of  Riv's bike sizing, including the Sam H. I was originally 
planning on purchasing.  I think the Joe A fit better than the Sam (and 83 
was at it's midpoint recommendation)  and I've come to find that I prefer 
to be mid to high end of their sizing chart for their bikes.  I ride 
upright bars, as high as they can go--Chocomoose on Joe A, Albas on AHH.  I 
can post pictures tonight if you'd like.

Roberta

On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 5:37:10 AM UTC-5 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> Hi Phillip,
>
> Welcome to the group. There was a long conversion on this topic a couple 
> of years back and, based on what Sam owners say and your preferences, the 
> Sam (most recent one with the cantis) would be optimal. The cantis give you 
> the option to run wider tires (with or without lugs, with or without 
> fenders) relative to the Homer while the Joe geo is better suited to an 
> upright handlebar. (Folks do run Joes with a drop bar: just need a stubby 
> stem.) If you're worried about the cargo carrying capability of the Sam 
> vs the Joe, Sam owners universally say that's not a problem unless you 
> decide to go on an extended bike tour. I've owned a Joe and currently have 
> a Homer.
>
> One caveat on the selection is sizing. Riv bike sizing has wide gaps which 
> don't necessary line up on PBH across different models. As a guess, maybe 
> that's why Riv suggested the Joe? I'd recommend spending a little time on 
> the geometry charts between the Sam and Joe for your PBH, and if you can 
> imagine how your riding position would be using a bike you already own.
>
> Good luck,
> --Ed C.
> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 11:52:31 PM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> New to this group, I actually currently own & ride a Grant Peterson bike 
>> already (Bridgestone MB-1) plus a CIOCC road bike but am interested in 
>> something more dual purpose. The area the bike will be used primarily is 
>> the West Coast of Scotland = narrow, rutted B & C-roads, fast A-Roads & 
>> graded dirt tracks with lots of rain & wind thrown in for good measure. I 
>> like to ride as "spirited" as my late-50s legs will allow, am most 
>> comfortable on the hoods & I may eventually do some minimalist bikepacking 
>> overnights.
>>
>> From looking at the Rivendell range it would seem that the Sam Hillborne 
>> or Homer Hilsen would be a good fit, however the Riv folks also recommended 
>> the Appaloosa.
>>
>> I'd love to hear some opinions on this from the folks that own them & 
>> thanks in advance for any advice you can give.
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2020-12-03 at 8.03.40 AM.png]
>>
>

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