Jesse, I think you want a leather saddle, but have you considered a 
synthetic mountain bike saddle like the WTB Pure? It has a flat area, like 
the B-17, and wouldn't look out of place on a Surly.  

I replaced a B-17 Flyer on a on old Trek 950 with the WTB, because of 
limited setback. I don't sit bolt upright on that bike, but I'm using 
Albatross bars that are about even, maybe a bit higher than saddle level, 
so I'm fairly upright. It's not a toodler, but I am comfortable.

FWIW, I have a C-17 on a drop bar bike as it feels a little "racier" to me 
than a B-17 standard. Besides shape, I think it has less give than a 
leather saddle. I wouldn't recommend it for a "very upright" position. 
Maybe it's just sample variation, but my Flyer and Standard do not feel 
like the same saddle to me, despite the similarities. The Flyer seems 
better suited to a more upright posture. Perhaps that is because as John 
says above, the saddle dips with each pedal stroke (I know it does this, 
because I had to put a dab of grease on the spring rails keeps it from 
squeaking/rubbing). That dipping would explain why the nose of the Flyer 
seems more apparent to me in comparison to the Standard. 

Pete
Arlington, VA
On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 10:35:35 AM UTC-4 Jesse Stoddard wrote:

> Okay, so I borrowed a B17 this morning and set it up on my Ogre (73 seat 
> tube angle) with a Velo Orange long setback post (30mm setback), and even 
> with the saddle slammed, still didn't have enough setback. Also couldn't 
> get the nose angled up high enough. Within the next couple years I intend 
> to own a frame with a slacker seat tube angle, but in the interim I'll have 
> to come up with something with rails that will allow for greater setback, 
> which I understand is a feature of the Rivet Loveland. 
>
> I'm pretty curious about that C67, too. Any owners of which in this group?
>
>
>

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