As a note in general about viewing frames on the Riv website. They use the same background for every bike they photograph. I used to remember how many centimeters there is in between each line, if someone recalls please do share. Using that same backdrop makes it easy to spot differences in heights between head tube and seat tube heights, whether you include the headset or not, as long as you're consistent. When I first saw the Susie/Gus it was easy to spot how much higher the HT was than any other Riv frame !
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