As a note in general about viewing frames on the Riv website. They use 
the same background for every bike they photograph. I used to remember how 
many centimeters there is in between each line, if someone recalls please 
do share. Using that same backdrop makes it easy to spot differences in 
heights between head tube and seat tube heights, whether you include the 
headset or not, as long as you're consistent. When I first saw the 
Susie/Gus it was easy to spot how much higher the HT was than any other Riv 
frame ! 

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