https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/173252562647/note-this-unearthed-blug-was-supposed-to-appear
 

Here is a Blug post that has pictures of the Riv. ball and socket seat tube 
lug. 

"  The ball-and-socket seat stay joint eliminates sheer forces and adds 
strength. The main shoreline of the seat lug is familiarly Rivendell, the 
same-ish swirls and all, and like all Rivendell seat lugs, it has other 
obsessive details that — well, if you’re going to make it from scratch, 
might as well be there— "

I have an Appaloosa with the older non-ball and socket lug and just picked 
up a Frank Jones with the new ball and socket lug and have to say I really 
dig the new style. It looks nice and has some extra "cream" windows in the 
lug that the other one doesn't have. I think it is visually appealing and 
if had to choose between the two I would go with the lug that the Frank 
Jones has. Not that there is anything wrong with the lug on the Appaloosa, 
but the Frank is just a bit fancier looking.

On Thursday, July 2, 2020 at 6:17:46 AM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:

> I like the way that Llewellyn does his socketed seat lugs, but others that 
> I've seen - including the Rivendell ones - leave me cold. About 20 years 
> back I was thinking of buying a Heron frame, but in the end I didn't 
> because it used that design of seat lug.
>
> These is the Llewellyn seat lug (centre):
>
>
> <https://hbg.etour.bg/assets/source/500-Frameopedia-Bicycles/Framebuilders/llewellyn-mccullough/20170330_mccullough-xls-04-set.jpg>
>
>
> And how it looks in a finished frame:
>
>
>
> <https://hbg.etour.bg/assets/source/500-Frameopedia-Bicycles/Framebuilders/llewellyn-mccullough/20170330_mcullough_xlh-04-seat-built.jpg>
>
>
> Nick
>

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