all this tubeless talk, fascinating, but cannot resist putting in my two 
cents for the Luddite end of the spectrum. I have equipped my big ole MIT 
atlantis with big ole heavy schwalbe marathon plus mtb tires, 2.25 inches, 
and have spent months happily, flatlessly riding briary, brushy woodland 
trails. I live in level country, and I'm certain that if I were to set up 
tubeless I'd see a difference. but I'm happy enough with the schwalbes 
(which just put 5 mm of latex under the tread, not rocket science), that I 
plan to take the atlantis on a d.c. to pittsburgh ride this summer.  to 
keep things in perspective, I've made my living writing since 1972 and 
continue to do it all with my 1984 DOS word processor (thank god for usb 
floppy drives!).

tom h



On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 10:29:15 PM UTC-4, ted wrote:
>
> Someone I won't name, because he should be gratefully honored for his 
> contributions and definitely never hectored about such trivia, wrote he 
> could think of at least 11 steps to mounting a tube in a tire off the top 
> of his head.
>
> I only think of 10.
>    Put a layer of rim tape on the rim
>    Put one bead of the tire on the rim down in the well
>    Put talc on the tube or the inside surface of the tire.
>    Put just enough air in the tube to give it some shape
>    Put the tube inside the tire and around the rim (with the valve through 
> the hole of course)
>    Push the other bead of the tire onto the rim and down into the well
>    Make sure the tube isn't stuck under a tire bead anyplace
>    Inflate to seat the beads
>    Make sure the beads are seated
>    Reduce pressure to what you ride
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Now for tubeless its (assuming no difficulties/hiccups)
>    Put n layers of tubeless rim tape on the rim
>    Install the valve stem, pull the core 
>    Slather soapy water al over the place
>    Put the tire on the rim
>    Use a compressor to blow air through the valve body to seat the tire 
> (may spray soapy water about doing this)
>    Put sealant in through the valve
>    Put the valve core back in
>    Inflate the tire (may have sealant spraying about doing this)
>    Check that sealant isn't coming out around the bead 
>    Spin the wheel a few times
>    Let it sit overnight (reminds me of gluing tubulars)
>    Re-inflate to riding pressure because it probably got soft overnight
>
> Now I'll agree that that doesn't sound too bad, only a dozen steps. I also 
> agree that anyone who works on stuff, and has a shop or a garage, should 
> get a compressor. Well worth the investment (can you say air tools, fun). 
> But with the potential for spraying soapy water and/or sealant about, and 
> the risk of significant difficulty seating/sealing the beads etc, I don't 
> see how an honest appraisal can really conclude its not significantly more 
> trouble than installing tires with tubes. Kinda like gluing tubulars. Now I 
> can't quote anybody saying tubeless setup is trivial and as easy as using 
> tubes, but I feel like some proponents sort of imply something close to 
> that. Am I wrong?
>
>
>
>
>

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