> As a Bombadil owner I didn't see the point of "copying" the design and > making it $500 cheaper in Taiwan, even though I wish the Bombadil > sizes were adjusted to match the new proposed Hunqa sizes.
With you on that. The Hilborne does Hilsen things but its design is notably different. I had trouble getting the reason for the Hunqa before the design change. > The diagonal second tube ala "mixte" I find very charming and visually > appealing, as well as differentiating it from the Bombadil. Assuming > equal functionality, one can now choose the design they like best and > the price difference as well as origin of the frame can become > secondary. Agree again. A proud and happy owner of a Bruce Gordon Rock n' Road, I need one of these bikes as much as I need a new hole in my head. Bringing back the diagonal second tube caught my attention. A lot of great old builders used the concept to good effect in days gone by. It would be fun to have a modern variation. On Apr 6, 3:34 pm, Rene Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com> wrote: > I will apologize first, but do think this "triangapillar" is just > taking the discussion to a silly level. > > As a Bombadil owner I didn't see the point of "copying" the design and > making it $500 cheaper in Taiwan, even though I wish the Bombadil > sizes were adjusted to match the new proposed Hunqa sizes. > > The diagonal second tube ala "mixte" I find very charming and visually > appealing, as well as differentiating it from the Bombadil. Assuming > equal functionality, one can now choose the design they like best and > the price difference as well as origin of the frame can become > secondary. > > That being said, I have no idea on the implications of these design > variations on the quality of the ride. I do love riding my Bombadil; > it's taught me to ride slow and enjoy the ride more. Before, it was > always a frustrating experience of trying to ride hard to lower my > average speed... > > I'm very curious to see where the Hunqa takes us... > > René > > On 4/6/10, happyriding <happyrid...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 6:16 pm, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Eric > > >> I don't think anyone should or would fault you for not wanting to > >> follow through on buying a bike that changed into something you don't > >> like. > > >> Personally, the only thing you said that I thought was a bit unfair > >> was the statement that the bike seemed like a 'half-hearted copy' of > >> another bike. I don't know Grant or Keven well enough to really know > >> how they might feel about reading that, but I can't imagine it being > >> pleasant. I don't think Grant or Keven is a copycat, > > > As far as I can tell, there is nothing about the shape of Rivendell's > > bicycles that hasn't been done before. There are very few creative > > new bike designs. But, I think I have discovered one. I call it the > > Trianga-pillar: > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/49416...@n00/4495790421/ > > > Patent pending. > > > and I don't > >> think they approach bike design half-heartedly, and I bet you don't > >> either. It's fine being honest about subjective things like the > >> design is 'jarring' or even ugly if that's the way you feel. > > >> On Apr 5, 4:57 pm, EricP <ericpl...@aol.com> wrote: > > >> > I'm owning up. It's me that has the refund. Mainly due to the > >> > thought that this is not the bike I pre-ordered. It may be good, but > >> > not what I was lead to expect from the inital .pdf. The new bike is > >> > also too jarring to me visually. > > >> > Sorry to the list if I've made too much and lead to discord. Not my > >> > wish. Do not want to alienate others because of my own stupid ideas. > > >> > Am not mad at Rivendell at all. The blame (if there is any) lies > >> > squarely with me in this case. > > >> > Eric Platt > >> > St. Paul, MN > > >> > On Apr 5, 6:00 pm, Esteban <kemm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > If I had a deposit, I'd keep it in there until one of these comes off > >> > > the boat. I'll bet they'll look pretty awesome. Having ridden the > >> > > prototypes, I'll say that they are SOLID. This diagonal-fest will > >> > > only make them more solid. And more awesome. > > >> > > And these were never svelte bikes. They are intended to be tanks, > >> > > plowers, mowers...anything that adds strength (and innovation to boot) > >> > > for this utility machine is welcomed... especially from Keven and > >> > > Grant who do a lot of tinkering and riding and experimenting. > > >> > > Patience is a virtue. I'm liking this bike more and more. > > >> > > Esteban > >> > > San Diego, Calif. > > >> > > On Apr 5, 3:48 pm, Beth <betha.lu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > > Man...it sure must be nice to have a PBH above 75. All the choices > >> > > > you > >> > > > 75+ PBHers have in bike frames makes me delirious and jealous and > >> > > > still not tall. > > >> > > > Meanwhile, on back on the little ol' Betty (which....funny isn't > >> > > > it..the Hunq is beginning to ever-so-slightly > >> > > > resemble...muhuhuwahahaha.....) > > >> > > > On Apr 5, 9:01 am, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > > > No choice Grant and Keven make is going to make everybody happy. > > >> > > > > On Apr 5, 8:27 am, Dan Abelson <d...@abelsons.net> wrote: > > >> > > > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:23 AM, EricP <ericpl...@aol.com> > >> > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > Having looked at the first mockup, I'm not convinced. Jars my > >> > > > > > > view > >> > > > > > > too much. Also makes it look like it's a "fatty" bike. Fine. > >> > > > > > > I'm > >> > > > > > > fat. That's been established. Don't like the idea that I'm > >> > > > > > > stuck > >> > > > > > > riding a "special" bike. > > >> > > > > > > With full-length twin laterals, ala the Singer camping, or the > >> > > > > > > original Breezer, that might work. That's a copy of the > >> > > > > > > Schwinn > >> > > > > > > Excelsior frame. > > >> > > > > > > Also, on a slightly different note. With the center tube, > >> > > > > > > would make > >> > > > > > > it difficult to sqeeze both a larger bottle and frame pump in > >> > > > > > > without > >> > > > > > > interference. At least on a 58. And forget using a pump with a > >> > > > > > > mount > >> > > > > > > like the Topeak Morph series. > > >> > > > > > > Finally, it looks like a half hearted attempt to copy a Salsa > >> > > > > > > Fargo. > >> > > > > > > Without the extra standover. > > >> > > > > > > Yes, I'm upset about this. Will probably end up losing a lot > >> > > > > > > of money > >> > > > > > > selling off my frame without building it up. Not something I > >> > > > > > > can live > >> > > > > > > happily with. > > >> > > > > > > Sigh. > > >> > > > > > > Eric Platt > >> > > > > > > St. Paul, MN > > >> > > > > > Eric, > > >> > > > > > If Riv makes the change, I would just call them. I would not be > >> > > > > > suprised if > >> > > > > > they were willing to refund your deposit if you are truly > >> > > > > > unhappy with the > >> > > > > > change to the top tube. > > >> > > > > > Dan Abelson > >> > > > > > St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > Sent from my mobile device- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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