Having looked at the first mockup, I'm not convinced.  Jars my view
too much.  Also makes it look like it's a "fatty" bike.  Fine.  I'm
fat.  That's been established.  Don't like the idea that I'm stuck
riding a "special" bike.

With full-length twin laterals, ala the Singer camping, or the
original Breezer, that might work.  That's a copy of the Schwinn
Excelsior frame.

Also, on a slightly different note.  With the center tube, would make
it difficult to sqeeze both a larger bottle and frame pump in without
interference.  At least on a 58.  And forget using a pump with a mount
like the Topeak Morph series.

Finally, it looks like a half hearted attempt to copy a Salsa Fargo.
Without the extra standover.

Yes, I'm upset about this.  Will probably end up losing a lot of money
selling off my frame without building it up.  Not something I can live
happily with.

Sigh.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Apr 5, 9:48 am, Bill Connell <bconn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The mockups are really helpful, thanks for putting them together. I
> have to say, i greatly prefer the look of parallel top tubes, if a
> double TT is the plan, but i'm not on the Hunq list, so my vote is
> more theoretical.
>
> Two other observations in this discussion though:
> This is the second Riv frame that seems to be getting significant
> input from someone other than Grant (Rodeo designed by Mark, Keven at
> least some decisions on this one). Maybe this has happened before with
> less discussion, but it's interesting that it's part of the
> conversation with these frames.
>
> Also, if the 2nd top tube angle changes, will the decal have to change
> so the 2nd line in the Hunq's H matches it? (in the 2tt world, i like
> that this logo mirrors the frame)
>
> --
> Bill Connell
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Marty <mgie...@mac.com> wrote:
> > Here's my crude mock-up to show what seems to be the diagonal
> > direction, with water bottle bosses and graphics relocated. Kind of
> > liking it...but keep in mind this is only my interpretation of what
> > has been mentioned. As Grants says, it's Keven's call.
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/yebexd2
>
> > Marty
>
> > On Apr 5, 6:33 am, EricP <ericpl...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> Will wait until a photo is there before getting too depressed by it.
> >> However, it's turning into a different bike than the one I ordered.
> >> Really hoping that it is going to be worth the extra wait.  And since
> >> the seat tube won't be able to take a bottle cage, the shifted 2nd tt
> >> will hopefully have cage bosses?
>
> >> Yes, yes, am complaining and whining about this way too much.
>
> >> But now, a 29er mixte.  That would be cool.  And something I'd ride.
> >> A lot.
>
> >> Eric Platt
> >> St. Pau, MN
>
> >> On Apr 4, 11:30 pm, Grant Petersen <gr...@rivbike.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Midpoint of headtube to midpoint of seat tube. Sorta mixte-like. (Jim
> >> > Thrill/Hiawatha said...)
>
> >> > Keven loves the 62 Betty/Yves, and rides it a lot, and rode it with 
> >> > weight,
> >> > and remarked how well it carried it, not what you'd expect from a mixte. 
> >> > But
> >> > the design like that works, and that lead to the diagonalization of the 
> >> > 2tt
> >> > (second top tube, I'm tired of typing it all out), and some friendly 
> >> > turmoil
> >> > here. It's Keven's call, which way it goes, but I think it's looking
> >> > diagonal. That's where I'd put my puka-shells.
>
> >> > G
>
> >> > --
> >> > Grant
> >> > Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com
> >> > 925 933 7304
>
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