You shouldn't be surprised by that at all.  From my time working in bike
retail I can say many $8k+ bikes are sold to people who don't know how to
fix a flat let alone care about gear ratios, pneumatic trail, frame angles,
or even the fact that handlebars can be raised or lowered. Members of the
Bob/riv lists are a special, self-selected, set of enthusiast bike nerds
(said with the upmost respect I assure you as I is one too).

Do you think, for example, that Jimmy Carter agonized over chainstay length
before ordering his Rivs?

I hope not.

Hugh "just ride" Flynn
Newburyport, MA

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:33 PM Jason Fuller <jtf.ful...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> It would be surprising to me that someone would spend the money on a
> Rivendell without being quite educated about bikes, but let's face it,
> Rivendell is quite a "lifestyle brand" in a sense since Grant has a unique
> perspective in the industry. So I guess it could happen. Rivendells are
> meant to be a "don't worry about the details and just ride your bike" kind
> of company but at the price point, I think most buyers are fairly die-hard
> cyclists who have probably done a fair bit of their own wrenching.  Always
> exceptions, though.
>
> Back to the topic at hand, I do wonder where the dust will settle - the
> pendulum can sometimes swing a bit, and it's completely possible that the
> average CS length will decrease in the next three years.  Maybe it'll
> further increase.  That's the topic of debate, though.  I have fully bought
> into the idea that most people ride bikes with too-short chainstays, and I
> also believe that front-centers getting longer (and stems getting
> correspondingly shorter) is a benefit to most riders.  But I also believe
> that most too-short chainstays are only too short by a small margin on
> small sizes.  It's a completely different thing to put 50cm chainstays on a
> 61cm frame versus a 51cm frame, and the latter is, in my opinion, a bad
> idea (unless it's a touring bike).
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