The Aspin is more like the Team Pro than the B.17. And it feels much
narrower between the thighs than a B.17 does.
On 4/17/19 10:23 PM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:
Thanks for the links Steve, found this-
"The answer is that the Berthoud has less suspended leather than the
B-17.
The Brooks B-17 is 170mm from the outside of the leather to the
outside of the leather at the widest part of the saddle. The frame
support at that point is about 155mm outside-to-outside, and it looks
like there's about 140mm of "suspended leather" within that 155mm
width. The other 15mm or so of leather is in direct contact with the
metal support.
The Berthoud that I have is 155mm from the outside of the leather to
the outside of the leather at the widest part of the saddle. The
underlying plastic frame on the Berthoud is a little wider than the
metal frame on the Brooks, and it hugs the leather further in toward
the middle than the frame does on the Brooks. It's hard to tell just
how much would be suspended and how much would contact the underlying
support once you sit on a broken-in saddle, but my best guess is that
no more than about 115mm would be suspended. That's about what it is
now with the saddle new, so that's the most it will ever be. Based on
this it's pretty clear that the Berthoud will give you less than the
Brooks."
So percentage wise, the hammocked portion of a Berthoud is less than a
similarly sized Brooks. So Berthoud's widest, the Aubisque at 180mm
would be considerably narrower than Brooks' B68 at 205mm.
Bummer.
And Laing, thanks for the b68 acquisition tips! Recovering a sad and
neglected b68 is probably in my future. As for the Rivet Loveland, I
bought one last year and it was way too short, the nose was murder,
good width though (I'm 6'8" with what seems to be a recycled horse
pelvis). And if you would ever want to trade a ridable b68 for a
perfect condition Rivet, look no further!
Thanks all
-Kai
On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 5:39:11 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/789460-brooks-select-champion-special-berthoud-aspin-leather-saddles-compared.html
<https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/789460-brooks-select-champion-special-berthoud-aspin-leather-saddles-compared.html>
http://oceanaircycles.com/2011/06/23/saddle-comparison-brooks-b17-swift-and-berthoud-touring/
<http://oceanaircycles.com/2011/06/23/saddle-comparison-brooks-b17-swift-and-berthoud-touring/>
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/DarMZOShnMw
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/DarMZOShnMw>
On 4/17/19 5:30 PM, John G. wrote:
Kai,
I have a B17 Select on my Roadeo and a Berthoud Aspin on my
Dream, which have similar reach and saddle-to-bar drop. The B17
Select has far more miles on it, and is more broken in. The Aspin
feels noticeably narrower. Not a bad thing--the overall fit and
feel of the two saddles is very different. I'm happy with both.
On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 5:03:05 PM UTC-4, Kainalu V.
-Brooklyn NY wrote:
How does sizing compare between Berthoud and Brooks? The
widest Berthoud is around 180mm, but their sides are much
closer to vertical than Brooks', so I'm wondering if their
widest models have similar sit bone comfort/measurements to
Brooks with 20 or so more millimeters. I love my Brooks B68,
and would like to find an equivalent saddle available for sale.
-Kai
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