Thanks for the links Steve, found this- "The answer is that the Berthoud has less suspended leather than the B-17.
The Brooks B-17 is 170mm from the outside of the leather to the outside of the leather at the widest part of the saddle. The frame support at that point is about 155mm outside-to-outside, and it looks like there's about 140mm of "suspended leather" within that 155mm width. The other 15mm or so of leather is in direct contact with the metal support. The Berthoud that I have is 155mm from the outside of the leather to the outside of the leather at the widest part of the saddle. The underlying plastic frame on the Berthoud is a little wider than the metal frame on the Brooks, and it hugs the leather further in toward the middle than the frame does on the Brooks. It's hard to tell just how much would be suspended and how much would contact the underlying support once you sit on a broken-in saddle, but my best guess is that no more than about 115mm would be suspended. That's about what it is now with the saddle new, so that's the most it will ever be. Based on this it's pretty clear that the Berthoud will give you less than the Brooks." So percentage wise, the hammocked portion of a Berthoud is less than a similarly sized Brooks. So Berthoud's widest, the Aubisque at 180mm would be considerably narrower than Brooks' B68 at 205mm. Bummer. And Laing, thanks for the b68 acquisition tips! Recovering a sad and neglected b68 is probably in my future. As for the Rivet Loveland, I bought one last year and it was way too short, the nose was murder, good width though (I'm 6'8" with what seems to be a recycled horse pelvis). And if you would ever want to trade a ridable b68 for a perfect condition Rivet, look no further! Thanks all -Kai On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 5:39:11 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/789460-brooks-select-champion-special-berthoud-aspin-leather-saddles-compared.html > > > http://oceanaircycles.com/2011/06/23/saddle-comparison-brooks-b17-swift-and-berthoud-touring/ > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/DarMZOShnMw > > > On 4/17/19 5:30 PM, John G. wrote: > > Kai, > > I have a B17 Select on my Roadeo and a Berthoud Aspin on my Dream, which > have similar reach and saddle-to-bar drop. The B17 Select has far more > miles on it, and is more broken in. The Aspin feels noticeably narrower. > Not a bad thing--the overall fit and feel of the two saddles is very > different. I'm happy with both. > > On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 5:03:05 PM UTC-4, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY > wrote: >> >> How does sizing compare between Berthoud and Brooks? The widest Berthoud >> is around 180mm, but their sides are much closer to vertical than Brooks', >> so I'm wondering if their widest models have similar sit bone >> comfort/measurements to Brooks with 20 or so more millimeters. I love my >> Brooks B68, and would like to find an equivalent saddle available for sale. >> -Kai >> > > -- > Steve Palincsar > Alexandria, Virginia > USA > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
