Thanks, Patrick; this is useful information. Our riding situations and wants differ, of course. My riding is roughly 1/3 pavement and 2/3 very often sandy soil; and of the sandy surfaces, almost all are flat and largely straight; so I do less cornering, especially at speed; thus grip in corners is *somewhat* less important to me. OTOH, I dislike desperately pushing sluggish knobbies on pavement; almost as hateful as trying to spin a 60" fixed gear with 175 mm cranks with a tailwind on pavement. (So to speak.) But still, more cornering traction in sand is better, all else equal, and if the TBs roll almost as well as my Big Ones -- why, there you go.
I think that I'll eventually give the TBs a try. Deacon: Can you say how wide the TBs measure, and on how wide a rim? Tom: Thanks re: the Cazaderos. Yes, 1 cm does make a difference in float, both from width and from the slighly lower pressure you can use with the fatter tire. I came across the following clip by accident and it illustrates not only the benefit of good retention in sand, but how fatter tires make riding in sand easier. In sand like that -- pretty common and, I'd guess, no more than 2" deep -- not uncommon where I ride (3" is about my max before I get off and walk) 60 mm tires at pressures as low as the casing permits (~18 for the Big Ones, before sidewall flop on hard surfaces becomes a problem; 15 or 16 psi with 60 Big Apples, with much stouter casing) you can ride across sand like this without bogging down and even -- if it's not much more than a couple of hundred feet -- without gearing down. Of course, the rider in the clip is carrying a touring load; but I see tire tracks from other bikes in sand that I ride across straight and easy that veer and wander all over the place because the narrower doubtless harder tires (and perhaps too the smaller wheels -- 29 1/2" floats better than 26 1/2 " -- simply sink in more. I recall riding with my brother in our sandy-soil bosque, he on 42 cm Cazaderos, I behind on F Freds at 50. I floated much better than he did judging by effort and need for course correction as the front tire either floated or did not. The 60.5 mm Big Ones are better yet. https://www.instagram.com/p/BgD5wqBD3fJ/?taken-by=cyclingabout Incidentally, the site has a lot of information that would interest RBW-listers: http://www.cyclingabout.com/article-directory-2/ On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 10:38 AM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: > I can't speak to the Big One, but my experience is that the ride feel on > all but technical singletrack of the Barlow Pass/Snoqualmie/Sheilacoom and > the Thunder Burt 2.1" LiteSkin is very parallel to one another, with the > expected differences in slight increase of noise due to knobbies, and the > different feel of wider/not as supple but near the same effect of the TB's > vs the narrower/more supple Rene Herse. > > My experience of them in sandy/muddly/snowy: I'd take the TB's over all, > with the Steilacooms second (supple tires ride wider than their width, if > that makes sense). Slicks, however wide, just don't handle loose stuff very > well. > > With abandon, > Patrick > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- *------------------------------------------------------------------------------------* *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.* --- J.R.R. Tolkien ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching Other professional writing services Expensive! But good. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
