I'd also get the Betty Foy. I think it's a very pretty bike with an
appealing name.
I like the Ebisu top tube to seat stay arrangement best. 650B Ebisu
might be my vote for all-time prettiest bike.
http://www.thevelocafe.com/Ebisu/Ebisu-Pages/Image5.html

Definitely like the Soma pricetag...
 Philip


On Mar 21, 4:11 pm, Ray Shine <r.sh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> You're correct, Doug, about the YG v. Betty Foy.  I too was thinking "What's 
> the dif?" and leaning to the Foy over the YG.  Still, the Soma holds my 
> interest.  As for the corporate thing, don't forget that Grant Peterson just 
> designed the Amos for Soma, and he will be selling that frame at RBW, so I 
> don't think they are entirely evil.  That said, I do like the notion of the 
> semi-custom Ebisu.  Price, too, is a consideration, but not necessarily a 
> deal breaker.  
>
> Does anyone have pix of the Velo Orange mixte other than what's on the site?
>
> Ray
>
> ________________________________
> From: Doug Van Cleve <dvancl...@gmail.com>
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 4:00:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Gomez versus . . . (Was: Part #1 of a Three Part  
> Question
>
> A few thoughts:  YG or Ebisu = supporting the little guy, Soma = large 
> faceless corporation pretending to be counterculture.  Single TT a la 
> Herse/Singer is absolutely stiffer, that's why most craft built mixtes have 
> been that way.  YG and Ebisu are lugged, Soma is welded (right?).  As already 
> mentioned, anything other than drop bars makes it easy to deal with a longer 
> top tube.  Ebisu has cantis, debatably stronger than sidepulls and easy 
> enough to set up assuming modern ones.  Why is the YG $200 more than the 
> Betty Foy?  Other than being named after a female character, is there 
> anything more feminine about the BF than that YG?  For $200 less, I think I 
> like it better.  I personally would narrow it down to the RBW product or 
> Ebisu.  Money not an object, the Ebisu is the classiest.  Since they are at 
> least semi-custom, I wonder if you could get horizontal dropouts on one of 
> those?
>
> Regards, Doug
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Ray Shine <r.sh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >Thank you, everyone ---
>
> >My handlebar choice will be (at the moment) either inverted Albatross or a 
> >set of Jitensha flat bars that I once had mounted on my Atlantis.  Those 
> >bars still have the Paul thumbies and the Paul levers on them, so that is 
> >the option I'm leaning to.
>
> >The other responses regarding tire width -- I'd like to do something between 
> >35 and bigger.  Thanks for the link to the Soma 650B conversion.  That looks 
> >interesting.  I do like the canti brakes of the Ebisu.  I like canti brakes.
>
> >The other neat thing about the Soma is the horizontal drop out.  I was 
> >giving serious consideration to trying out that new 9-speed IGH.  And, I 
> >really like the double top tube design. I wonder if it is as strong as the 
> >Riv and Ebisu
> > designs.
>
> >As for the Riv's.  Yes, I am a Riv fan (I own three Riv's already) but the 
> >Gomez just doesn't catch my eye, frankly.  I could get by the goofy name and 
> >"International Man. . ." thing if other aspects came together.  I like the 
> >intended use of the Gomez, and the way it could be set like a Hillborne, but 
> >I think it's the least stylish of the three bikes I mentioned.
>
> >Thank you also for the Velo Orange link.  That looks good as well, so maybe 
> >now it's a choice of four models.
>
> >Ray
>
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