Exactly- "overly stout" is entirely subjective given the weight of the
rider and riding style.  When sachs builds frames for his racers, he
has the advantage of knowing their weight (and since they're racers,
they're probably not overly stout themselves) and can build the
lightest bike that will still be durable and reliable under that
individual rider.  W'ford building the roadeos has no idea if the
person riding it will be a featherweight or a clydesdale so they
probably build the lightest bike that will still be durable and
reliable under a range of riders; I think it's amazing that they are
as light as they are.  Being on the heavier side myself, if i ever
bought one (hah! a guy can dream, right?) i'd probably never load it
up with anything more than a small seat bag.

On Mar 5, 7:07 am, Patrick in VT <psh...@drm.com> wrote:
> On Mar 4, 5:04 pm, Dustin Sharp <paleo.v...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Does this mean that a Roadeo has at least an extra half a pound of overly
> > stout tubing?  Or  does the weight savings on the Sachs frames come from
> > other things? I mean, all those baroque touches on Riv lugs must weigh
> > something, right? ;)
>
> seems like artisan framebuilders are at liberty to shave every gram
> they possibly can - Waterford probably doesn't have that luxury with
> the Roadeo.
>
> I only chimed in to comment that high quality lightweight steel bikes
> need not be babied - especially ones that fit 35mm tire!  big tires
> like that makes things easier on the frame, wheels, etc. (not to
> mention the rider!).  To me, the roadeo seems like nearly a perfect
> bike for hard ride that includes some mixed terrain (ride 33mm
> tires).  it's obviously a great candidate for a rando/brevet bike
> (ride 30mm with fenders).  or a club rider (ride 28s).  it's a super
> bike and design.  if I had the need, I'd be all over it!

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